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that's interesting to hear, thanks for telling.
I bought my first PPoR with FHOG and my boyfriend moved in there with me. His step-dad was my accountant at the time, and advised on all other sorts of property issues and talked about converting it to IP when I moved out and the tax issues involved. He never once said anything about claiming 50%.
I would be extremely surprised if this was allowed under ATO law. I don't understand how a property could be both PPoR AND IP. I thought it was one or the other.
I wonder what they say about people who take in lodgers into spare rooms… But the fact he is your boyfriend and not a normal lodger, well, just don't go down the path of trying to cover up the truth – you never know when it may come back and bite!
noisuf – i am in a similar position, with a IP (ex-PPOR within 6 year CG rule) which thanks to crazy perth property boom now has around $200k equity in it. Its an awesome apartment, with great positive cashflow and all in all a terrific IP. I will be looking at purchasing PPOR in say 2 years time, after purchasing hopefuly IP 2 and IP 3.
My accountant said the best thing for me to do, when I'm ready for purchasing PPOR, is to sell my terrific little IP, put the CG (which shoudl be CGT free due to 6 yr rule, no other PPoR nominated) into my new PPoR, get the LVR down on that and then borrow against equity there to purchase another IP.
At first I was shocked with his advice and couldn't dream of selling, but now that I understand so much more about loans, finance, what is tax-deductible interest and what isn't, it all makes good sense. His advice was always put every spare cent you have in your PPoR loan, and keep IP loans as high as possible. that strategy is obviously going to lead to more negative or neutrally geared IPs initially, but as rental returns raise and CG grows, its still a great position to be in.
another option D could be, subdivide, find a builder, get some plans and also get council approval and then sell "off the plan" as house + land. or even move into the new house yourself and rent out old house.
if you do option D, you still have the option of listing it as land only, or weith council preapproved plans for a good profit. plus that way you can control the house design and ensure you're happy, as you'll be close neighbours!
i'm sure if you can afford to hang onto it you'll have a better outcome by building yourself and renting it out, enjoy the growth on it and if its a good investment by the time the house is built there should be instant equity in it which you can then refinance and obtain for your other future venture.
if you're in perth, i would be happy to recommend my own financial planner/mortgage broker. she owns a number of her own properties and i have been very happy with her service and advice to date.
just keep in mind that its not just the highest offer that wins, but its the one most suitable in terms of price AND conditions.
if you were selling and were offered either $245,000 only subject to finance, where your buyer had preapproved finance letter, settlement in 6 weeks and paid a 15% cash deposit, compared to a $255,000 offer requesting various clauses and a longer settlement and onyl 5% deposit, perhaps the vendor will choose to negotiate with just the first offer…
personally i've never really understood giving a price "from $245k" or "$245k plus" or even "$245 – 265k". the buyer in me says if they'll accept from $245 why would i offer $265? i think its just to give the agents an extra angle to try and push the offers up.
thanks for that confirmation richard.
when she's back from holidays i'll have a chat to her about what i want for the new loan and see what she comes up with! i wonder if there is another loan on the market which is I/O with a free 100% offset account with unlimited free electronic transactions and no annual fee… plus at a competitive interest rate!
2-3 months ago she was saying westpac had the best product on the market at the moment, will see what the comments are next month.
$15k after all deductions and expenses? that's a very healthy return indeed!
with development projects, its my understanding you can get a good project manager on board who can effectively guide you through the whole thing. if you don't know what to do, just hire the appropriate experts. it will cut into your profits, but with the right information, guidance, plans and approvals you should be set for good profits anyway. once you've done it once with experts guiding you the whole way, perhaps the second time you'll know more about what you can do yourself to save on costs and what is better left to the experts.
i'd love to go into development, but i think i need just a bit more $$ behind me, or a JV. I want to learn a little bit more too, buy another IP for rental and do some renos before going after the development side of things.
Hi Andrew,
My parents currently do what you're suggesting. They sorted out the "empty nest:" syndrome by renting our the spare 3 bedrooms to students/international travellers.
Initially mum went through an agent who sourced the students in return for just one week's rent. She started this about 5 years ago and back then the rate was $100 per room, or $110 if internet included.
You shoudl be providing in each room:
* bed, plus linen + towels
* desk
* small bookshelf or drawers
* internet access (most int'l students these days will be expecting high speed wireless internet avaialble with no data download limits)then ensure each room has its own designated pantry shelf and fridge space, and bathroom drawer. Make sure you are familiar with nearby public transport routes and also aware of parking restrictions on your street in case the lodgers do have a car.
Mum's rates are now between $130-200 per room, depending on size. Of course her bills went up but the extra rental income easily covers these.
She no longer uses an agent, has secured a few long-term tenants and they tend to replace themselves when they leave and there's even a waiting list to get in to her place! the few times she has needed to find a tenant she has used http://www.gumtree.com.au
I am currently living in a multi-lease type house, due to very low rent, and purchasing IP#2 in a couple months which I was considering making it to be multi-leased student accommodation. I know it has high costs and time requirements, but feel I can do it to create a +CF property in an otherwise -CF market.
i'd be thrilled to be in your situation!!
I have one IP, no PPoR. currently owing $190k, VERY positive geared, probably valued now around $450k. As soon as I have reached my 6 month probation with new employer, end of sept, I'll be jumping straight into a loan for IP #2. I plan to get #3 as soon as possible after that. I obviously have a lot less equity to access than you, but figure with IP#1 I have enough equity to cover 80% LVR on 3 properties without using any of my own cash. The aim is to have all 3 resulting in a net neutrally geared position within the first 12 months, and hopefully from the second year onwards they'll be +CP.
With interest rates low, and the property market in Perth in a good place, I'm wanting to jump in straight away and the only thing holding me back from future purchases will be the banks.
Don't forget with your house fully paid off, you can get a LoC loan against the equity of that which can be a fully tax deductible loan as far as I'm aware, as well as raising the LVR up to 80% of your current IPs. so you have loads of equity money to play with! use the leverage. I know if I had that sort of position I'd be going into small developing projects. But that's just my opinion.
I am wondering though why your properties are only slightly +CP when the loans are so low? Have you looked to see if you can add rental value there to raise your rental returns?
I'm a bit confused, are you saying you would buy the property together in joint names? I was under the impression the FHOG becomes ineligible if there is a name on the title who has previously owned property. So I'm guessing you're talking about putting it 100% in his name, but you are driving the "investment" and will share in profits.
Also, for your brother to get a loan in the first place they seem to be very strict to first homebuyers now on showing true savings for the deposit and monetary gifts from parents/others don't apply. He must have a history of regular savings over some period of time.
I'm no expert and fairly new to this as well, but in terms of loans from what I understand if its going to be an IP property you are aiming to keep for 5 years or more (obviously IP once you satisfy FHOG minimum occupancy requirements) then an IO loan is better with a fixed interest term for 5 years, But if you plan to reside in it as PPoR then P/I loan is better and pay off as much as possible. fixed interest IO repayments remain you can budget for the exact repayments monthly but they often attract high fees if you then change the loan, refinance, or sell/payout early.
madelizabethan wrote:It sounds to me as though you're missing one vital thing here: You're yet to take out a mortgage. If you're hell-bent on buying another property, you would do well to consider getting your own on the FHOG, and then transferring it into both of your names after the first 12 months are up. If you're able to do that right now!Definitely consider the FHOG, BUT as far as I'm aware once you are married, if your spouse has a property in her name it will make you ineligible.
I am looking into this at the moment, as I own property but my partner does not yet. We are thinking he should purchase our new PPoR in his own name solely, receive the FHOG and do this before getting married. The grant may be "only" $7000, but the real benefit is the stamp duty exemptions (and I think that varies from state to state as well).
just a quick question on the CGT exemption… I bought in Oct 2005 and lived there as PPoR until Feb or Mar 2007. From then it became IP and I moved overseas… I'm back in Aus now but chose to rent and keep my place as IP.
Is the 6 year absence from the month the property ceases to be PPoR and becomes IP, or from purchase date? and if I want to keep it as legal PPoR for CGT exemption how long is the period required to reoccupy?
mchutton,
as a fellow perthie i have also looked at East Vic Park for IP. There was some suburb report that came out a while ago which listed units in Vic park and East vic park as being good for future growth, whereas houses in these suburbs are already overpriced. there's loads of rentals, but a lot of the units there are old and rundown meaning the large rental market is driven by international residents and students. i'm not sure of the price of the apartments that you're looking at are, or the style of them, but i don't know what the rental demand for high priced trendy apartment would be and if you could find a good long term professional tenant. a good book i'm reading at the moment said never stray outside of 20% above/below the median suburb price as its harder to then sell or rent places at the bottom or top of the suburb.
if a financial advisor hands you a package on a plate for a fee which looks too good to be true, chances are it is. they will be taking their slice, along with the developer, both of which come out of your pocket. if you have the time to find a great deal yourself you should hopefully save some $$ !
good luck
Thanks to both of you for your comments…
Ajay I do indeed plan to speak to an accountant, but just want to already be armed with some knowledge before the meeting…
Richard, any suggestions on where I can start reading about discretionary family trusts?
At the end of the day, I will be relying on the accountant to advise me based on my situation But I want to fully understand my options and make an informed decision based on their professional advice.