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    Hi THGH,

    We've been doing our due diligence on the Ipswich market for the past few months and were just about to close a deal over the weekend when someone offered cash unconditional for it instead – hard to beat that. Its a great area with gentrification happening. Good subdivision potential but we have found that the most prized are the properties on 2 titles already so no subdivision needed. These are very rare and get snapped up extremely quickly. Are you located in Ipswich/Brisbane? If you have any questions about the area/subdivision I'd be happy to share with you what we do know.

    Drop me a PM

    Cheers

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    The website looks interesting Matt and affordable housing is definitely what a market we're looking at. Will have a more detailed look at the site.

    What would a standard 3 bedroom cost to build and what does that include? eg just lock up stage, DIY or employing a builder

    Cheers

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    Thanks guys for your comments. I came across this a post on another forum that I found invaluable for anything considering building a kit home

    http://www.somersoft.com/forums/showthread.php?t=58256

    richteddy – I'll find out more from my broker about lender's treatment of kithomes

    sonya – if the kit home came with hair clippers…that'll be a bargain! ;) 

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    So it was a gorgeous Sunday in Sydney and we decided we’d take the drive up to Emu Plains to check out the display homes of PAAL Kit Homes http://www.paal.com.au/display-centre/display-nsw.asp . It was the only kit home supplier we could find that was open on a Sunday :(
    To cut to the chase, PAAL’s main line of houses are ‘estate’ type homes for acreages but they do have another business that does ‘off the shelf’ smaller designs such as granny flats, small units and 2 – 3 bedrooms homes.
    We walked through the 3 display homes they had and we very impressed with the quality of the homes. Really just like any other display home just that the real savings are in the owner-builder putting everything (or atleast most of it) together. Saving you in some instances $100k in building costs. The estate homes are to some extent customisable, I think, whereas the off the shelf designs are not and this is reflected in the much cheaper prices – up to $65k for lock up – which means just the shell of the house.
    The designs didnt really quite suit what we are looking for – 3 bedroom, 2 bathroom – contemporary Queenslander types but it gave us an idea of what a quality kit home would end up like. There are a host of other kit home suppliers which we’ll try to visit in the next few weeks as we’ve seen some great designs. Now we’re thinking we wouldnt mind building one for ourselves when we decide to finally buy our own PPR :)
    So it isn’t a bad option if you’re looking to build one yourself because of the time it’ll take. We’ve had lot of practice with putting together Ikea shelves in 10mins flat but I think this is a whole new ball game. Might not be so viable for building for an investment property.
    Anyone else had any other experience?

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    Hi guys!

    I’m signed up for RESULTS as well and cant wait to get stuck into it! Our poor coach is going to be bombared! :P

    I’m based in Sydney and looking at some opportunities in SEQLD, particularly Ipswich and Toowoomba. Looking at doing some small lot subdivisions, renovs and bigger developments in future. We have some property in Sydney and in Brisbane but all unfortunately negative geared so we’re looking to possibly sell up the ‘under-performers’ and invest in some ‘quick’ cash projects (even if it takes a year but with potentially good lump sum returns it’ll be worth it) to replace my income so I can do this on a full time basis whilst my husband’s happy holding the FT job for serviceability reasons. The goal is really not about merely making wads of cash for the sake of it but to ‘buy time’ to spend time with our families and more philanthropic work.

    Darren I noticed you invested in Ipswich and have just done exactly what we’re about to do – well done on taking what many would say is a pretty big step for a first investment. Mind sharing some of your figures? I spoke to a town planner who said subdividing would be approx $60-$80k. We’ve been doing quick feasos working backwards from:

    – how much we expect to sell the renovated front house and the subdivided block
    Minus
    – profit 20%
    – subdivision costs
    – renov costs
    – buying costs (s/duty, legals, loan costs)
    – sales costs
    = Buy Price

    How much did you manage to sell your battleaxe block for and did it take long? We’re working the figures for a deal now in East Ipswich. Where was your property? Are you planning to hold or sell your the renovated property?

    Cheers

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    b.free2live wrote:
    Hi Will2Win

    Have you looked at ASK Homes website?  I'm going through the same process at the moment, so will let you know what I find.

    Thanks, will have a look. We’re planning to drop by the display homes for OzKitHomes sometime soon as well to have a look a the quality and get a better idea of pricing. Do keep me posted and I’ll update with anything useful I find.

    Cheers

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    minichick wrote:
    currently working on 1 established 9 block of units strata titiling vendor gets 50k more for the property I make roughly 200k+

    strata titling and onselling  we have learned there is many ways to use options but takes alot of offers to get 1 through

    Hi Mini,

    I'm looking at doing a similar thing for a block of units. Would you mind sharing what sort of terms you managed to negotiate with the vendor? eg option fee and term. I'm not quite sure how you go about  with selling the individual units – as I'd imagine they don't all get sold in one lot.  Did the units need any renovating?

    Cheers

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    Thanks for the replies guys. 

    TerryW – we don't have much personal debt (some low limit credit cards which we pay off monthly). Everything's investment debt so we do get a healthy tax deduction every year. I guess its just a matter of increasing the equity/savings and cashflow. Will consider turning my unit from negative to positive cashflow via VF arrangement to improve our cashflow.

    God_of_money – we're renting as we decided that it was economically more beneficial for us so we don't have a PPOR at the moment. Selling the apartment will hopefully not encounter CGT is it's sold within the 6 yr time frame (?) of which we probably have 3 more yrs of.

    I will look further into trusts and servicibility. I think I was mainly thrown out by Steve's comments in his book about lenders not necessarily taking loans you guarantee into account in calculating serviciability (unless I interpreted that incorrectly). Terry's advice is that this is not the case.

    Thank you both again

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    From your post you said you have $58k in equity after 7 months. I am assuming you still have a loan?

    This reads to me that you might have paid $322k for the property and obtained 100% finance, or you paid a bit more for it and put in a cash deposit?

    Thanks Richard and Marc!

    Marc, with regard to your post,

    I have a loan of about $320k on the property and put down $58k as a deposit. Can you clarify what you mean as ‘useable equity’?

    Cheers
    Chez

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