i source my information from everywhere, newspapers, internet, talking to people and agents. With agents i often find they have no idea what is going on in their own cities, they are often focussed on selling houses and thats it. But sometimes they are very switched on and worth there weight in Gold.. I’ve got leads for investing from parties sitting around having a beer with friends i suppose i’m always keeping a ear for whats happening. the info about Beaufort was on the Local news as i was writting up the response earlier tonight.
westan
Chris
the answer to which book?
the Bible its the most complete book i’ve ever read, gives me a purpose for living, understanding of life, hope for today and tomorrow and a better understanding of who i am. But best of all it leads me to a God who loves and cares for all of us.
Just about got a sermon out of me Chris[]
Mini
all those point about RK are challenged by the article, he would say they are lies.
westan
let me elaborate about economic develpments.
Today a town in Victoria announced the creation of 50 to 80 new jobs. this town has a population of about 1,500. so it is a major boast for the area. My guess is properties will rise as new people move to the area for work and as locals become more confident of the future?
it amybe worth looking into?
the town is Beaufort (between Ballarat and Ararat)
westan
this is poor advise (i don’t think Jenson likes property investors)?
a favourite Investment quote of mine from Robert Kiyosaki (think there’s another post about him) is
“the profit is made when you buy not when you sell”
great advise, i wrote it on a piece of board to remind me of it. i always offer low bought a property for 50k (asking 59), but then i’ve missed out on some good deals because i was being too smart over a few thousand dollars. It’s all part of the game, anyway you can always go higher but you can’t go lower
westan
i think stuart point about demand for that type of house is very important. evenif it’s currenly let doesn’t mean it will easily let again and maybe not even for the same price.
i spend a lot of time looking at future economic developments in the community. Sometimes i will buy in an area because of the developments eg Hamilton Vic because of the mineral sands project, Millicent SA for the many developments. Prices in these areas have now factored in the developments (prices doubled in 12 months for some homes) so its time to find the next one.
westan
alright my last post on the topic also.
not much point really because no one is going to be bothered reading it but here it is.
it’s not so much if Rich dad is real etc.
what gets me is the man appears to be worth nothing, no houses etc until after the rich dad book. (this is according to the article, RK owned only one house in phoenix a very modest one until after the book then he was rich a bought a nice one).
so his riches weren’t made by following his own advice it was by his book sales
i believe his financial advice is spot on and still recommend his books.
see you on another post
westan
if someone says do it this way, this is the way to do it, his is how i’ve done it.
But they never did it at all i would think twice about following there advice, why do people have to lie if the message is good let the message stand by itself.
his books are full of stories all now lies, his successful investments are lies, his great stories taht encourage are lies.
He is a super salesman, his books are a sales broture on Cashflow etc.
i hear what you are saying and as i’ve said he’s increased my thinking and wealth incredibly, and he still has a lot to offer, but when he says i’ve bought this property and business why does he need to lie?
westan
“or would you just be happy that i got you of your bums to do something??”
personaly i’m always honest with people and assume they are the same with me. I get disappointed if people lie to me, in future they lack credibility. There is another book that i hold in very high regard and it’s principles work fantastically for me, but if it was all a fraud i’d be disappointed (understatement)
i was yalking to the owner of a first national real estate agency on the weekend from a country town. when he arrived at my house i was looking for properties on the net. His comment was its apain with all the emails they get. about 400 a week on perhaps one sale out of it, he neede a purson just to handle the emails full time. Real estate agents are very busy at the moment and don’t have the time to reply given that there is so many emails. they figure if people are genuinly interested they will phone.
So i agree always phone the building of relationship may pay dividends down the track
westan
well done steve,
i’m with you on selling your appreciated stock and rebuying at a lower entry point.
is it possible to get the transcript available or an audio we can download off this forum.
love to compare where you are buying but understand fully what you are saying, i’ve purchased 4 (yes only 4, but then i only own 20) properties in the past 5 weeks. i believe the deals are out there but its not like the good old days when the ministry of housing were selling Elizabeth in SA for 21k and Morwell and Moe for 20K, But i decided to be a bit more imaginative, and there are still buys out there, I think my criteria is even more strict than the 11 second rule. Anyway better get off this forum your book arrived yesterday better get into it.
westan (i’ve got 2 copies i to lend out to friends)
i don’t beleive interest rates will move up for the forseeable future. it would take a dramatic change in the international economic climate (improving) for us to lift rates. if it weren’t for the property boom i beleive rates would be down lower. Once the market cools rates may drop.
Having said all that i have about 1 million Debt so i’ve fixed about a third of it, just as insurance. If you want you can fix rates for 5 years at about the same rate as the standard variable rate. it good to reduce the risk thats what i’ve loved about cash positive investing it is very safe in comparison to other investments provided you buy at the right price and do you due diligence.
westan
westan
spoke to recovery earlier today he ment to write “purchase” price.
Must of had one of those cheap keyboards or has been talking to so many Kiwi’s now he’s starting to spell like the way they pronounce words
all the best
warren buffet (the worlds most successful investor and second richest man in the world) said he didn’t buy his first shares till he was 9, he said he wonders why he waited so long.
maybe you should look at the stock market also, its cheaper to get into and fun also.
Learn all you can by reading books, i’d recommend “Rich dad poor dad” by Robert Kiyosaki and “real estate riches” by Dolf de roos.
westan
Hi all
agree can’t kick her out
But
how about offering the lady free rent if she will let you share the property. It may not be the best solution, but if you want the 7k and don’t want to be remove the lady, and cannot get and extension this is another posibile way of fulfilling your FHOG committments.
westan
Hi fizman
you did well to get the book, all the shops i tried had sold out, just got it today in the post.
Your strategy is good because interest on your own home is not tax deductable.
if you wanted to be a bit more aggressive you could draw down the equity you have saved to purchase a 2nd IP, and third IP etc (i’m not encouraging to be aggressive in this market but there are still some good buys about)
westan
Deauzie
it might work? Worst case senario, you get caught and go to the slammer. And then you have all this free time to look for property (on the net), but insections would have to wait for day release.
Fullout
The past 3 years have seen cash positive properties appreciation far faster than the Hot markets of Sydney and Melbourne. So it has been easy to quickly generate equity to buy more properties. When i started in 1997 i virtually had nothing. One strategy i used was to borrow short term money from my mother which i would buy properties under market value then refinance and pay back mum, i did ten in one year on an income of only $30,000 (was working 4 days). How steve did so many so quick is fantastic i’m about to find out as his book arrived today. i’d better go and get into it.
westan
Hi kirby319
i agree 100%.
a few weeks ago i was reading how Greenspan was making simular warnings about the US stock market in 1998 saying it was overheated (this was at the beginning of the boom). He later decided to keep his opinions to himself do his job and let the market sort itself out.
westan
if the figures stacked up i’d look into it. find out those other things
Property 20k loan interest 24pw @5.65%
insurance 4pw
rates 8pw
water 7pw
Agent @8% of 75 6pw
Total 59pw costs
Profit 16pw (not much in it)
Unless you can change the figures i’d say no thanks
(i’d like to put at least $25pw on a deal this small, you need it to cover repairs/vacancy etc).
But if you found out that the mine was going to expand, and put on 50 people etc, then maybe its a goer.
westan
give us the figures
price
Rent as is
What can be doneto increase rent
How many vacant houses in the town
If a minning town how many years left in the mine, can town survive without a mine?
I buy often where there is no expectation of capital gains, for instance i bought in St Arnaud (pop2500) Vic. 2 months ago for 27K, 5k for new carpet and paint, so say cost 36K but will rent for at least 100pw.
regards westan
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