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    hi milen

    whether 13% cash on cash is good enough ???

    if there was some chance of capital appreciation or adding value to the property, otherwise i’d need convincing.

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    hi mitzu

    i don’t know who told you that about kiwibank but i got 3 properties financed with them from OZ. but they are so slow and service is poor so i’m using ANZ in NZ and i’ve had excellent service.

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    hi fullout

    perhaps you could go to some auctions in the dimboola area, (maybe Horsham). often these auctions have full house lots and they sell individual items cheaply.
    adding to what powmow said the salvo shops try ones near dimboola like ararat, stawell and horsham.
    why do you want to furnish it for anyway?
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    hey still in school

    120pw for 42k thats a great deal similair to what i’m going for. is it in OZ?
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    hi Leigh

    that doesn’t sound right about 150pw for a storage shed. perhaps you have misunderstood and it is 150pw for all of them??
    taylah
    yes it is real hard to find deals at the moment, i’ve given up looking in Vic. haven’t bought anything since about june. but i’ve been buying elsewhere and bought 12 in the past 15 weeks, so you need to look harder. personally i am not happy with the 11 sec rule the return is too low. all the ones i’ve bought in the past months have been better than this.
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    hi all

    still at school

    you aren’t working out the cash on cash return, sorry you are fudging the figures and deceiving yourself.
    let me expain it to you. the cash on cash return is what you actually put into the deal and what you take out of that as a percentage.
    lets use your example
    say you buy a property for 42k you will have
    loan interest you say about 60pw
    then rates/water say about 15 pw
    then insurances 4pw
    agents fees at 7% 9pw
    total costs 88pw
    profit $32 per week at best not including vacancies, repairs etc.
    so that is $1664 per year. then you divide the figure by how much cash you put into the deal. if you financed at 100% and only paid costs of say $1500 then the return is 1664/1500 so a 110% return. this is where a cash on cash return can be misleading because it only reflect what you have put in. if you put in a 20% deposit the return would be more like 25% still great in my opinion. the problem with putting no cash into a deal is eventually banks will not lend to you as you have no equity in the properties.
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    hi all

    still at school
    you are right there is a definite lack of stock out there in cash flow positive world. But it has been drying up for the past few years, steve has only created more interest but the situation would still be the same. it’s certainly not 1997 when i started buying, then you could buy incredible deals like duplexes in adelaide for 21k. But there are still deals to be done. The market in Victoria has been so difficult to find properties this year i’ve had to look elsewhere and still been able to buy 12 in the past 15 weeks. Mini is right there are deal out there but you need to look harder.
    steve i stayed up just to see mini and was very disappointed to only get about 2 seconds of my number one star.
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    hi milen and celivia

    the issue of cash on cash return is a great one but it all depends what sort of deposit you put into the deal.
    personally i’m after a 25% Cash on cash return after i put in the 20% deposit. this is real cash flow. unfortunatley the 11 sec rule will often not even present cash positive.
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    hi guys

    i’m 39 and i’m retiring at the end of the year. But i’ll keep doing property stuff, i just wont be working for a pay check anymore[:)] handed in my resignation (actually asked for 12 months off) a few months ago and can’t wait to be finished i should have quit weeeks ago, it’s really hard to get motivated now i know i’m finishing in mid Dec.

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    hi all

    interesting stuff mini.

    i like the last comment “number of countries who have used nuclear weapons agains another country”

    how will history judge our good friend the USA?

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    hi all

    yes mike at 24 k its making a killing. but not at 95k.

    my strategy is buy and hold but sometimes its good to take a profit. i’m reinvesting the profits into new purchases that are averaging 40k and renting for 120pw. so by selling i’m getting rid of one property and buying 4. yes i could refinance but i am happy to be out of this area. the tenants aren’t the best and the land moves a bit much so i could be up for some big bills in a few years.
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    hi kristine

    i might know someone who can help

    email me at

    [email protected]

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    hi melaine and mitzu

    melaine i don’t know for sure but i think the figure in aust. is about 25% rent whereas in NZ it is about 30% rent.?

    Mitzu
    i know some in Oz are setting up trusts in NZ. i’m using my trust from here to buy through and i’m not having any problems. as melaine said the only way to get a loan is in NZ.

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    hi david

    i’m happy to cash in and reinvest elsewhere as i bought in SP at 42K a pair and EP and EG at 24k eack so a nice profit. today at 94k and rent of 125 they aren’t cash positive.

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    Josh

    you’re in the wrong state[:D]

    actually for victoria the ministry of housing use different agents unlike this state where they are contracted to certain companies
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    hi mike

    thanks for that info, i live in victoria so i really appreciate your input. in the past 3 months i’ve sold a pair in SPlains for 159k and a single in EP for 94k, all were in average condition. so by the looks of things i’ve done OK.
    yes that property is in EG not EP (i get confused which one is in which suburb). my property is in average condition. it will be interesting to see what i get for it.

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    hi mike

    what prices did they get for the jt auctions ?
    were the properties in the northern suburbs?
    i’m interested because i’m still selling one in Gunther St. E.P. want to get about 96k for it.
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    hi nats

    my experience is usually the banks will insist on doing the valuation. often the bank will hire a valuer. sometimes as in NAB’s case they get a local branch manager to do the valuation. a registered valuer looks at the prices similar properties are selling for. this is the only way they can justify the value they place on it. sometimes i’ve had valuers being consevative but usually they aren’t too far off the mark. i try to help the valuer (to support the value i believe) by telling him the addresses of properties that are similar and the price they went for and also how mine is different to that property.
    regards westan
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    hi

    i’m suprised that you financial advisor is encouraging property often they are anti, as they don’t understand it and don’t study it as part of their course.

    it’s very hard to make comments obviously without knowing your full picture, ie your own financial position, and where you own your property, how much it is worth what it would cost and what it would sell for.
    if i was you i’d do some sums and see how it looks.
    i assume your financial advisor knows your full financial circumstances ? i would look into his idea as i said do some sums, perhaps build some units, sell some off the plan ???
    but hey, i’m not really sure whats going on for you.
    personally i’m keen on property (i own 29 houses)but i wouldn’t be buying in this market (in australia).
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    hi all

    yes, good one kristine, i didn’t think of that[xx(]
    regards westan

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