well this post has moved on since my contribution days ago.
one thing for sure is there is no need to lift rates by .5%.
Bill sorry for causing you confusion, i can feel the stress my response caused you.
i actually asked my wife if she understood my post and she did, so i assumed you guys would. Especially with your financial background. Bill it is possible to increase the mortagage by simply refinancing the property, getting approval for the extra cash and then putting the money straight back into the loan and then redraw the money if needed, (no not off set account i didn’t even mention that, you did). what i’m suggesting is almost the same as a LOC except a lot lot cheaper. melbear understands fully what i am trying to say. Mel clearly stated LOC can be very expensive and a big financial risk. there is a lot of hype about them, it is clever techniques to sell the product.
Even some people selling them believe the story of the wonders of LOC’s. i have a LOC but got into it with no application fees and use it carefully and sensibly. Bill if you are still struggling to understand this i am more than happy to give an example how this stategy will save you and others money.
alf get a second opinion on the loc you are being encouraged to go for, i can put you in touch with a bank who will give you a full 1% off the interest rate of a LOC, no establishment fees, no monthly account fees, small discharge fees, and a very small redraw charge, if that helps
regards westan
This is how you would do it.
first assume the loan is 100k and you refinace it at 180k, so you have access for an additional 80k. with that 80k you put it right back on the loan so the loan balance is only 100k. therefore you are charged interest on the 100k not the 180k. If a good deal is found you have the 80k already there so you can draw on this straight away.
regards westan
thats an interesting point lucky phil. if the purpose of christmas is to celebrate Jesus what’s the one thing that detracts from him answer Santa (or was it Satan ?). Conspiracy theory?
westan
sadly you must pay CGT as Terry and Melbear have said. Chris i’m supprised that a tax advisor finds this one “not an easy one”, you are paying for this advice?
westan
hi riffraff
Long term a property 6km from Brisbane city has to appreciate in value. i wouldn’t sell especially if this is your only IP., oh yer thats right it’s only hypothetical. Refinance and then you can put the money back into the loan so you are not paying interest on it. only draw down on the cash if you find a great deal. In regard to investing don’t spend heaps on courses, as books cover a lot of the info so read a lot.
the idea of renovations that will increase the rent is also a good one but be careful to make sure you are getting a good return on your money.
westan
yes richo i’m sure crashy is still reading the site. personally i hope that i’ve judged him wrong, when i feel that his main purpose on the forum was to plug his products. he has been a great contibutor and lots of fun. i’ve had great debates with him so crashy show us what you are made of and come on back.
westan
wouldn’t it be a fantastic world if everyone was honest. i know i’m a dreamer to think this. we can’t control what others do but we do have a choice on what we do. so lets make a differnce in what we do. we had a stove installed ina rental property and the local retravision who had been incredibly slow in suppling it, then they didn’t send us a bill for it. after six weeks my wife decided to go in and pay the bill. she could have got away without paying it but good on her she did the right thing. lets try honesty on all occasions, guess what its catchy.
westan
thanks C2
i agree totally.
i would like to add that while i got for high returning properties this is just one factor in the whole decision to buy.
westan
normally with a neg. Geared prop. it would be best to go for the best tax deductions if the plan is to hold long term? therefore you would put the property in the highest income earner.
as you both earn the same amount, as Melbear said, it sounds like it would be best in your name as the cash pos properties will raise your income above your wife’s. i agree with Melbear to consider trusts.
westan
C2
you said
“How about using the good deal bad deal factor and relaxing a bit. It may not get you to your ultimate goal as quick but you will still get there.”
not sure what you mean here are you saying that we should settle for Bad deals as they will still help us to “financial freedom”?
westan
yes, true confessions i have the gloves . yes Muppet they arrived while we were in NZ (but don’t tell anyone we are buying there)Shhhhh[]
i was going to post them but now Muppet has told everyone on “forum Fun” that i’m a little bit short on top (hair wise) i don’t think i’ll give them to him.
luckily you guys wont have read that because you wouldn’t be waisting your time down there (in forum Fun).
alright i’ll give them to him, i’ll try to get them there through a mystery carrier
bye westan
yes sooshi
you have to include all your costs as expenses. but this shows where the cash on cash indicator can be a poor indicator. because if you get to the point where you only have $100 of your own cash in on a deal you can end up with a property showing 1000% return on cash which is just stupid.
westan
to a certain degree you are right but the Yeild is a terrible indicator of a good deal. the yeild does not take into consideration such things as rates / body corporates etc. so sometimes a 7% yeild can be a better deal than a 10% yeild. the best way to see if the deal is good is to look at every single expense and do the sums properly, yeilds are only a quick guide in my opinion.
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you wouldn’t want to include it unless it was fully covered by the rent. so if it cost you 15pw you would have to increase the rent by that amount. the only advantage i could see would be for the tenant who may get more rent assistence from the Govt? isn’t there a risk, i know with Austar they want 24 month contracts so what if the tennant does a runner then you would have one extra expense.
i have heard of people who add it for free to get a difficult property rented.
bye westan
good on you bill, a very interesting post. i agree with sweetie and love your “honesty” approach. its good to see that your years of property selling havn’t effected you adversly. i was involved in sales many years ago and sadly too often people are quick to sell their own integrity to make a dollar. the R/E idusrty is a shocker for lack of honesty and deserve the negative image they receive.
i also look forward to you next post
westan