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    hi all

    sorry cornel

    this is off the topic, but i also have to challenge kkowalsk with the idea you only make the killing when you sell.
    if the assett has gone up in value then you have in effect made the money the value is added to your net worth so your net worth has gone up.
    if i bought shares that went from $1 to 10cents i have to say i’ve lost this money on them the fact that i choose not to sell doesn’t alter the fact that they have lost value.

    kkowalsk
    one of my favourite quotes from Kiyosaki’s is “the profit is made when you buy not when you sell”
    so once again well done Cornel[:D]
    westan
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    hi all

    terry you have explained what i ment about assett protection, (it is from a legal point).

    mel i only have one trust, i should probably start to seperate some of my assetts, but i do have a separate company where i hold some assetts. thanks for reminding me about that because it’s something i wasd thinking about recently but didn’t do anything about.
    terry if i was a trustee and had signed all the mortgage documents and the i was replaced as trustee would the banks require the mortages to be redone with the new trustee???
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    hi davidb

    i use a trust for my property holdings, one without a corporate trustee. the only advantage with acorporate trustee is the element of asset protection. but the cost is considerable. if you restructured i think all you need do is change the trustee, however this may effect the mortgages (if you have them) because they would need to be rewritten i believe.
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    hi mcollins

    this is closer to cash positive than the last one (broken hill), but its at mount morgan (in the middle of nowhere)[:(], just saying this mcollins to warn potential purchasers.

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    hi cornel

    i think its hard for us to answer this question, i think the property manager would be the best one to talk to, i think it should add more rent but it depends on the rental demand for your type of property. I’d think you could always ask a little higher and drop it back if you had to. the other thing is you may keep the tenant longer if your property is a bit better than the typical unit in the area.
    Well done on a great buy, $47,000 equity straight away fantastic[:D], and some negative people are talking doom and gloom and other are out there making a killing well done.
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    hi Alf and Josh

    josh i agree a plan is essential, but it also needs to be flexible and reviewed often, as i said in another post recently, i wrote a retirement plan last year, the plan to retire aged 45 (7 yrs away then). i kept this plan in my mind the whole time and soon realised it was way too conservative. i beefed it up and bought more cash positive properties than i initially thought i could. fortunatly the plan worked in 18 months, so i’ve reached my goal already. now that i will finish work in 23 days[:D], i need to formulate a new plan.
    alf i suppose that answers some of your questions, one mistake i made 6 yrs ago was i purchased a property through a company i owned and should have used my family trust, as all the rest of our properties. the mistake here is i will not get the 50% discount on CGT.[:I] I’ve made heaps of other mistakes also, but property is very forgiving and haven’t lost money on any property unlike some shares.[:P]
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    lazyboy

    yes i’ve got a few down southland i don’t know which is my best the one for 23k rented at 100pw, (now thats Positive cash flow), but i like the deal in Dunedin (Mornington) $58k rent for $170pw.
    lazyboy can i ask you about an area near you but i don’t want everone buying there so can i ask you off the forum ? if your happy to answer my question email me at [email protected]
    thanks
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    hi lazyboy

    your market is hot !

    i’ve been buying there and prices have risen every time i get there (every 10 weeks). where abouts are you in NZ. i’m moving to Balclutha (brrr i feel cold just thinking about it) on Dec 31st.
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    hi nailwog

    you are right cash flow is king. in response to how do you grow?
    you must buy cash positive properties. If you buy neg. geared you will get stuck on the serviceability of the loans and max out and not qualify for future loans and therefore growth. But if you buy cash positive ie ones that pay for themselves plus put say $2000 a year in your pocket then banks will continue to lend to you and you will grow not only in Assetts but in Cash flow. thiw is how people on average income can control multi million dollar property portfolio’s.
    Obviously you will need to continue to work to pay for your lifestyle while your assetts are paying for your future wealth. i suggest you learn about the stockmarket as often “Gimes” come along (ie some new floats) where it is easy to make a quick dollar. its important if you want to become financially independantyou learn as much as you can about both property and stocks, it is good to have a mix of investments and its very difficult to buy well in property at the moment. i wouldn’t pay a managed fund to handle my money, i rather take personal control, have some fun and learn.
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    hi all

    sorry to do this but i disagree with most of the comments, LOC’s are a con, hugely profitable to the bank and the benifits are over estimated. as Namasté discovered there are better options.
    Discount loans can be sourced much more cheaply, with lower interest rates (-1%), no application fees, no account fees, no valuation fees, no redraw fees and a very cheap loan discharge fee. in the long run you are way ahead of any LOC i have looked at. Yes a small LOC can be helpful if used correctly (but don’t pay application fees some cost $4000 and more). i have only 1 property in my LOC the rest are with discount mortgages.
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    hi all

    hey Bill i think you are getting me (westan) and Mini Mogul confused [?], i haven’t contributed to this thread yet. i can understand the confusion we do look very similiar.[:D]

    by the way, what a top post by Mini i agree with what was said (but she/he said it not me).[:P]

    Given that most people move within 5 yrs it has to challenge the whole notion of ownership for many people. i certainly wouldn’t buy a 800k place i could rent for 400pw. i’d be with mini investing for a 22% return [8D]
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    hi nooneoo

    you must do them before the auction, once you buy at auction there is no “out” clause, (ie cooling off period or conditions such as subject to building report). this is where auctions can get expensive if you pay for a reports but don’t buy. where as with a purchase you can sign subject to … then if the report is negative negotiate a lower price or pull out of the purchase.
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    hi all

    disagree Bill

    ricky
    reward yourself with a nice home later on.[:)]

    regards westan

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    bill

    are you happy to cover all loses as well?

    fatboy i’d be off to the “land of the long white cloud” while there are still opportunities there. i wouldn’t touch Oz, although interest hasn’t wained in my part of the world (Vic Country) i think prices are still rising, they are certainly selling fast.
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    hi still at school

    i don’t see many more rate rises, while inflation is low they can’t lift rates.

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    hi fullout and melbear

    i was thinking about signing “and or nominee”, but the problem would be the purchaser would know what price you paid for the property. so effectively all you would be is a buyers agent. there would be no Capital gains but there would be income tax.
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    thanks ian, peter, muppet and mini

    looks like i have a few more books to get a hold of. great contribution from you all.

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    fullout

    if you don’t want to manage it yourself why don’t you give BJ Bennett a go, and don’t forget to have landlord insurance.

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    hi forextrader

    well done to the poms, they were too good for us.[:(]
    Johny proved to be the difference as we expected.

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    hi all

    1) What was the prime motivating event in your life that created a focus on the need to invest?the desire to make money to survive while i chose to work in low paid jobs (such as youth work and school chaplaincy).
    2) What have you in fact done about it since then, and rate your achievment.
    i started investing in shares and did well especially in 1993 when it paid for me to study full time at a Bible College. since theni got into property in 1996 and have purchased about 40 houses and currently own about 26. as far as rating my performance i’m still pinching myself that i am where i am so 9.5 out of 10, sorry if i sound conceited.
    3) Based on your current performance, how long will it take to reach financial independence?
    i have been working towards a plan for the past 2 yrs hoping to get to financial independance within the next 7 yrs (by the age of 45). i discovered that my goals were way too conservative and beefed them up a bit and realized in July that i could quit work, so gave notice that i would finnish work at the end on Dec.
    4) What are you currently doing to improve your plans?
    i feel that i’m now at the cross roads, do i go on and try to become very rich (no huge desire), or do something that will enrich my life and those i meet (more interested in this). so next year i’m moving to New Zealand with the family to reflect on life, have fun and continue to invest (which is also fun).
    5) What is your ultimate goal; and will it make you happy?
    enjoying life and helping others will make me happy.
    6) Which is more important: The goal or the journey?
    the goal is meaningless without the journey, but it is the goal that starts the journey.

    regards westan

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