if you are looking for a trust expert try Accountant Dale Datherum Goss in kilsyth Melb. he has written a couple of books on trusts. trusts are an excellent vehicle for asset protection and as tax vehicle.
with the PPOR as a property in a trust, while it may sound a good idea you loose the CGT exemption (on PPOR) with could outway any negative gearing benifit you claim.
i’d seriously look into a trust, most definately for IP’s
regards westan
hi guys heres some more
muppet you could understand me because i practiced on these ones.
Iggs Ecktly – precisely
One Doz – a well know computer program
Beard – a place to sleep
Ear – mix of nitrogen and oxygen
Ever cardeau – advocado
inner me- enemy
Ken’s – Cairns
bye[]
sorry i forgot to answer part of your question Richardo
“It is a bit dissapointing to receive confirmation of lack of +Geared Properties in Vic. I wonder why that is?”
i think there are many reasons why there is a lack of pos properties as compared to a few years ago. sorry you get my long answer
1st the market was way under valued.
a few years ago there were cash positive properties all over the place. One of the reasons was that the rural areas were depressed because of the city focus of the Kennet state government, it is only if you lived in the country you could see how he killed rural Vic at the expense of a vibrant Melbourne.
Secondly the State Govt (not just Vic) was selling of there state houses. For example in the Latrobe Valley the govt sold off 100’s of houses. could you imagine what that does to a market, yes prices crashed as supply outstripped demand. in some towns like Morwell they dropped 30%(supply/demand is fundamentaly what causes the market increases and decreases). i remember in Moe they were selling off 10 houses, a friend went to the auction (i could have bought some but my wife said “no not Moe” it was around the time of Jaiden Leisly’s death). anyway the 3brm homes got passed in at $21k each so my friend bought them all after auction for $19k each. (Yes the Gov’t really did that). today 6yrs later they sell for over 90k
2. the renewed interest in property
it has been a worldwide phenomonon (i can spell[xx(]). the interest in realestate rose as baby boomers all over the planet suddenly discover what others had know for years “wealth creation”.
3. another reason the lack of properties is because people such as steve Mckight and robert Kiyosaki have promoted the idea of cash positive properties, suddenly investors from the city stated to look outside the CBD. there is so much investor interest today demand outstips supply, slowley seller started to raise there expectations and prices rose while rents only rose slightly.
3.the first home owners Grant
when the fHOG came in suddenly there was a huge interest in the lower end of the market (where cash positive are found), Thousands of australian’s became home owners and the stock of cheap home disappeared.
that’s enough of my thoughts for now, if anyone is still awake and they want to add their thought that would be great.[]
regards westan
i’d live to join you guys in Melb but unfortunately i’m busy packing to move to NZ at the end of the year. i’d like to hear what you guys are talking about.
for those interested some area out in the west of the state that are close to cash positive, horsham from 90k for 155pw, stawell and ararat 70k for 120pw. smaller towns (if thats your thing ?) nhill and murtoa are cheaper. i like Mildura also although a bit more expensive (wish i’d bought there a few years ago). like Mildura i believe Ballarat still has some growth potential.
bye westan
LOL
perhaps George and Co they have offices everywhere, but they aren’t all that popular with the locals. and drive in your own car to inspect a property rather than in one of their company vehicles.
George and co are an up and comming outfit they hope to have offices all over the world, their marketing plan is, how could i put it “aggressive”. Recently opened offices in Afganistan and i believe syria or North Korea as soon as their office in Iraq are running smothly
bye westan.[]
i’ve just bought in this area and have tenants lined up, it is a lovely couple who i’m sure will maintain the home well. i hope to call in and visit my tenants Osama and sadam when i’m next in town.
westan[]
i was asked to put in an offer because there were multiples and when i did, the agent rang and said i’d had my offer accepted, the next day he rang and said there was a mistake and i didn’t get it.[], obviously i’ve never deal with them since, thanks you just reminded me i’ll email them and remind them what happened and then tell them how many house i’ve bought (not through them).[]
bye westan
i haven’t had this problem before. it would be better if they found the nest i would think then you can destroy the problem. i’d probably ask for a reduction in the price. be completely honest with the seller and tell them how much it will cost to fix the problem. Termites are always a worry i believe they can travel 100’s of meters and pop up and eat your house (yummy)[]
westan
i tell the kids at school that, when we are talking about smoking and why the tobacco companies want them to start because over the life (shorter i know) of a smoker the tobacco co’s know they will make a $1,000,000 from each smoker.
regards westan
how is PP going since Pasminco had its problems? i was under the impression a few years ago rental demand was strong (2001) but that was before pasminco.
bye westan
yours is a tough one, $500 per month is a lot, that means if your income in the future is in doubt you may be in touble[?] worst case senario rate rises and vacancy may hurt you by the sounds, thats why cash positive is so much better because you can ride out the hard times better. i hate to give specific advice to you because i haven’t seen the property etc, all i can say is genaral statements, it may take you years for the property to make money for you as you will be going backwards by $6000 per year plus your money is tied up, but if history repeats itself and your property is double the value in 10 years where do you stand. personaly i can see why you are considering getting out and buying something not so demanding on you own finances.
hope this helps a little
regards westan
while i agree with bill that it is better to learn and do it yourself, some of there deals seam ok, so why write them off.
Rebecca you must be confused, as ESC isn’t into property development and find deals with existing houses i know because i get there deals emailed to me (never taken up one just get it for interest). Henry Kaye is just bad news.
there deals appear ok? why do you say they are horror deals and i don’t get the comment about being out of Nappies are you refering to there age? being young is never a reason to dismiss someone they are very switched on young guys.
westan
thats a great post, challenging and thought provoking. i like to think i’m a generous person, giving both in money and time to others. But when it comes to buying property i’m very ruthless and pride myself that i can pick up a bargain, infact i used this quote, as my yardstick for investing, “the profit is made when you buy not when you sell” R. Kiyosaki
your post gives me something to contemplate am i being consistant in the way i do things.
let you know how i resolve it later.
regards westan
yes and you don’t go broke making a profit, but i still think Cornel has done well.
how do you work out the value of your assetts?
i value them at current market value never the price i paid for them.
westan
thanks for the contribution Lynchy
i don’t even own any property in Sydney or Melb but if i did i wouldn’t sell it. it just concerns me with all the “HYPE” about a bust that some may forget the big picture and make decisions based on this weeks emotions. Everyone should have a strategy and write it down, get it out and review it every so often.
Interesting the media HYPE (on sunshines original post)was the news described it as the beginning of a Bust what the heck does that mean ? the market has dropped slightly and they expect it to continue ? many other interpretations can be made from the same data whatever that is. another survey out recently said 1,000,000 australian plan to buy property in the next 12 months it would take a huge change in sentiment to change this.
westan
join the rest of us who have found it near impossible to by cash positive in Vic. ewhat sort of return are you after? i’ve found the best returns are found in the west of the state, but even then not fantastic, i haven’t been able to buy anything since June and that was in a smaller town than i would normally go for. It was St Arnaud for 27k rent 100pw (i consider this a good deal). In the previous 18 months i bought 12 properties (thats how much the market has changed).
regards westan
i don’t think anyone would argue that the market isn’t going to cool, we have all been saying it for ages (sunshine, long before Bill arrived in Sept)[]. i chose not to buy in Melb in 2002 because i wrongly thought that was the top of the market[], it is the healthiest thing for the market to stop catch its breath it may take 5 years, but do you sell now that is the question, Sunshine where i disagree with your Mentor Bill is his push to sell, generally speaking you should not sell. its not the stockmarket where it is very cheap to move in and out. with property you have stamp duty, etc if you sell now you would have to hope the market had a very large downturn to get back in. The important question is where will the prices be long term, history shows that the market doubles every 10 years here in Oz. with our continual growth in immigration etc demand for housing will continue. if you sell your IP now will you be regreting it in 10 yrs time? if you can afford to keep your property/s do so. personally i have a large exposure to property so im playing it safe and reduced my holding (i have sold about 13 properties in the past 5 months, but i’m still happy to hold many others)
westan
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