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    Originally posted by The Mortgage Adviser:

    I was referring to one person in particular. And I do not hold grudges. I am going to delete a few of my posts so no-one else gets into it. I hope you do the same.

    Cheers.

    http://www.mortgagepackaging.com.au

    Agreed, deleted some posts as well.

    <<what are my options?>>

    Hehe, that gave me a giggle!

    Bygones!

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    Originally posted by The Mortgage Adviser:

    Options are an advanced and high risk strategy best left to more experienced investors. Wait until you have much more experience and can afford to lose your whole investment before attempting these.

    Robert Bou-Hamdan
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    Advanced? Yes!
    Best left to experienced investors? Definately!
    High Risk? Yes and no!

    If used to crank up risk via the leverage, then yes, risky. They can be used to REDUCE risk.

    So here’s a question for the forum:

    Which carries the most risk (ignoring reward for the moment)?

    1/ Buy 1000 shares

    2/ Write 1000 ATM put options

    3/ Buy 1000 shares and write 1000 ATM call options

    Cheers

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    <<There is a miniscule chance of you being profitable in options trading in 3 years (1-5%).>>

    Yes, agree wholeheartedly. But the reason for this is mainly because people do not understand completely the pricing nuances of options (IE the Greeks)…even those who have done option courses…and it is ****ing difficult to get your head around.

    I spoke to a lady last week who had done TWO expensive option courses. I started talking about implied volatility…..she didn’t know what I was talking about!!!!! Scary!!!!!

    People also try to use options purely for leverage…market makers love these people.

    Correctly used, options can be less risky than shares. For instance, in the latest ION delisting dabacle, an option spreader may have even profited from the situation. (if options had of been available on ION)

    Cheers

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    Originally posted by obiwan:

    this will sound like a wet blanket but I would not get involved in leveraged plays on the sharemarket (incl options) until I was profitable in nonleveraged investing and until I was well capitalised.

    There are 3 retail investors in the options arena :
    1. small speculators looking to make a fortune – they almost always blow out at some stage. The odds are massively against you succeeding: 95-99% fail despite attending seminars, reading books etc.
    2. investors who are well capitalised who use it as a small part of an investing strategy – covered call writing etc
    3. people who wish to start trading as a business – despite being well informed, market experienced and usually well capitalised they are usually not profitable in the first 3 years. 80% still fail.

    This is all true. Thats why I suggest Cottles book.

    I also suggest avoiding covered calls unless under certain specific circumstances.

    There is also a 4th catagorie (which are a small minority of course). People who make a tidy profit from options thanks very much. :-)

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    Mike,

    Try to find books by Charles Cottle. If your brain doesn’t shoot out through your earholes first, he’ll give you a great understanding of how to actually trade them without losing your arse.

    re Guy Bowers Book: Agree it is a good book for the basics.

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    … oh and Steve,

    The PM is good :-)

    And I reckon the live chat could be a good idea too…easy and cheap to set up.

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    Originally posted by MortgageHunter:

    I would like to see a section on Shares & Alternative Investments

    We are unable to discuss shares at all on this site Rob due to limitations imposed by ASIC I believe.

    I really don’t believe the ASIC line…but there are plenty of sharetrading forums anyway.

    Rob,

    I know of a few reasonable share forums, PM me if interested, I will send you the links.

    Cheers

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    Hey Rob,

    Why lease options in preference to wraps? Any key reasons or is it because the word “wrap” has been sullied by a sensationalist media?

    Cheers

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    Good work Rob!!!!

    It IS time for Mr Jenman and followers to be as accountable for what they write, as they demand from others, rather than some of the totally emotive propoganda that spews forth from http://www.jenman.com.au

    A lot of wrappers on this site are noteworthy (pelican and FW are a couple that come immediatly to mind) for a high ethical standards…and, not withstanding some concerns about wrapping, that shouldn’t go without recognition from the likes of Jenman and crew.

    Looking forward to further updates.

    Cheers

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    Yeah Rob,

    It’s different this time :-o

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    It is not a matter of fear. It is a matter of contingencies, my rhetorical friend.

    Apocolypses seem to only happen once every few hundred thousand years, whereas depressions HAVE occurred roughly every seventy years since the onset of the industrial age.

    A modest difference to say the least, don’t you think?

    Have a great Christmas!

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    Originally posted by Monopoly:

    I seriously doubt, and I don’t think you have to be an Einstein to figure it out….You’re not going to get a burst bubble or any market sh**ing itself BOTH at the same time….if that were true, we’d all be well and truly f***ed!!!! [eh]

    The trouble is Eistein was no economist.

    In the early ’30’s both property and real estate did indeed s**t itself at the same time!

    In other words, the big “D” (if/when it happens) will do it.

    Plenty of credible economists are talking about that vey possibility…but not the respective wall street and R/E industry cheerleeding squads. You won’t hear these views very often on boomberg or cnn.

    Plenty of people prospered during the great depression, just not those who weren’t prepared for it.

    Cheers

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    Perth has always lagged the east by a year or more, so you would expect it still to be strong.

    Up in the mundaring hills where I live, established huses have been steady over the last year, but vacant land has bolted to the upside. What was 140k last year is now >200k

    Cheers

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    Originally posted by wilandel:

    Wayne, just curious, do you invest there also?

    Regards,

    Del

    No Del, but certainly worth a look based on what Rigby has shown us.

    <<Canada is my Number 1 destination for a holiday…(ONE DAY) !!>>

    You won’t be dissappointed! Pass on the US, go straight to Canada.

    Cheers

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    <<voted by the UN as the best place in the world to live – it’s CANADA.>>

    Ahh my home country. A fabulous place and magnificent people.

    I’m envious Rigby.

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    Great stuff Alf,

    That sounds more like the reality of NM and how to do it successfully…or as you point out, any business.

    $80,000 a month within 2 years is a big number though. Is that verifiable?

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    oooh, you mercenary!!!! LOL

    I’m glad it has never been necessary fro me to sell in a buyers market.:-)

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    Rob,

    I would never entertain a verbal offer. (other folks might) Offers must be in writing with a deposit before I dip my hand.

    What would you do in this instance?

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    Just a point,

    We have always put an expiry clause in the offer

    E.g. This offer expires on midnight xx Dec or whatever.

    That way if you are looking at another house, they can’t go and accept your offer after you have gone cold.

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    Oh, and here’s something for those obsessed with wealth priniples and $40 million mansions.

    “One final paragraph of advice: Do not burn yourselves out. Be as I am — a reluctant enthusiast… a part-time crusader, a half-hearted fanatic. Save the other half of yourselves and your lives for pleasure and adventure. It is not enough to fight for the land; it is even more important to enjoy it. While you can. While it’s still here. So get out there and hunt and fish and mess around with your friends, ramble out yonder and explore the forests, climb the mountains, bag the peaks, run the rivers, breathe deep of that yet sweet and lucid air, sit quietly for a while and contemplate the precious stillness, the lovely, mysterious, and awesome space. Enjoy yourselves, keep your brain in your head and your head firmly attached to the body, the body active and alive, and I promise you this much: I promise you this one sweet victory over our enemies, over those desk-bound men with their hearts in a safe deposit box, and their eyes hypnotized by desk calculators. I promise you this: You will outlive the bastards.”

    –Edward Abbey

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