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    Just a point on newspaper advertising.

    It generally takes several weeks of consistant advertising to get any sort of a decent response.

    A very expensive medium.

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    Here in melbourne, there is plenty of competition for investment/trading courses. Everyday I open the paper; promises of millions next week trading options….my father thinks I rob banks….etc.

    People won’t go for courses in a big way until the market tops again IMO.

    Wayne

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    quote:


    And in shares the most important rule is to avoid having a long term portfolio because you have made a short term mistake


    Amen[:)]

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    Hey Bribie,

    Couldn’t stand you feeling lonely so have posted some waffle on one of the threads[:D]

    Cheers

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    Ok my goal is to build a minimum of 1 million dollar’s in 25/30 years
    Starting capital $10,000
    I don’t really want to become a full time day trader type but i would spent say 4/5 hours a week trading

    I guess I would like to do the same type of thing Steve talked about in his book
    Using +cash flow property investing income to build a nice packet of money on the share market

    Risk profile I’m not sure what you mean on this one so i can’t answer it

    Psychological profile again not sure what you mean all I can say is I’m in it for the long hall


    Risk profile: you need to ask yourself a few questions. If you lost your 10,000 starting capital, how much would it hurt your finances. Would it be devastating or is it money that, if you lost it’ would’nt bother you in the slightest. Where in the middle of these two extremes you fall will determine your risk profile

    personality/psycological profile. Are you stoic, nervous, cautious, reckless, tenacious. Are you psychologically equipped to handle numerous losses in a row. If you have a few wins in a row, will you believe you are a genius, or indestructable. Do you have the disipline to design and stick religiously to a well thought out trading plan. Do you feel a need to be right?How would you react if you bought some shares and they immediately started moving strongly against you.

    Not trying to overwhelm you but the answers to these types of questions will determine whether you will be a long term investor, a short term trader, or somewhere in between.

    It is important to analyse yourself honestly so-as not to end up another stockmarket statistic.

    To turn $10,000 in $1million in 25 years; (assuming you never took money out and never added another cent of capital) you would need after tax compound returns of 22% p/a.

    This is not hard to do IF you have all the factors above sorted out satisfactorily. It is incredibly difficult to achieve if they are not.

    Good luck
    Wayne

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    “Why try and predict?”

    Cos he asked for our opinions. I didnt hear anyone say “im long because I predict this or that”

    http://www.posigear.8k.com


    Crashy, my post was directly under yours and it looked like I was having a go at you particularly. In fact you used the word “expect”, which I like a whole lot more than predict. If we go long on something it is because we expect it to go up.

    But the reason I canned prediction is that on a psycological level it is a dangerous thing. Some traders using Gann predictive techniques blow themselves up because they make these predictions, and believe they are “right”, you know, the square of 83 lines up with the celestial harmonic doodad line so therefore the market must be going to 10,000,000.[:D] or whatever it is they do.

    I use what may look like prediction in my analysis using longer term pivots. But because the financial houses use the same technique, I am forming expectations based on price behavoiur around these areas just the same as most traders form expectations at areas of normal everyday support and resistance.

    But I couldn’t give stuff where the market goes as long as it goes somewhere. I have this attitude because in the past I have sabotaged myself for having too strong an expectation one way or the other.

    Example:

    Lets flip a coin one hundred times. Based on the law of averages we have an expectation that it will land on heads 50 times.

    Only a fool will predict that it in fact WILL land on heads 50 times, or 47 times or whatever. The reality is that it may land on heads any number of times that is different to our expectation.

    Then, we can form a range of expectatations based on all sorts of statistical analysis here…bell curves and suchlike but that would take too long…and bore everybody s**tless.

    I think there is an important psychological difference.

    Wayne

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    hi all

    Waynel

    Do you still punt on the horses professionally or semi professionally.

    regards
    alf


    Alf,

    No not anymore, it’s a tough living and having a soft spot for animals, I couldn’t stand the stuff that happens on a racecourse from time to time.

    Then I was at Moonee Valley watching a hurdles race and a horse fell and died at the last jump…virtually right in front of where I was standing.

    That was enough for me.[:(]

    Cheers
    Wayne

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    Deano has touched on as good point with his book suggestion; and that is the psychology of trading.

    The actual trading techniques are not hard and learnable by nearly everyone, but psychology is very important is where most people trip up.

    I used to punt on the horses professionally and that is where I learned about psychology…and money management.

    And that is another big point about trading, take the time to learn good money management, particularly with a small starting bank, it will make a BIG difference to your bottom line.

    Don’t get perturbed by these concepts. They will sound quite esoteric to the newcomer. It’s just a matter of studying and grasping them, just like important property investing concepts.

    Go along to Borders or one of the large bookshops…or even the library; there are dozens of books on the subject.

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    Why try and predict?

    We’ve got predictions of Dow 4,000 and Dow 20,000…gosh, someone predicted Dow 40,000 and wrote a book about it.

    I predict that the market WILL fluctuate…..hang on, didn’t someone else say that?

    Better to have a strategy in place that will take advantage of any scenario.

    That said, AussieRouges reasoning is very sound; I hope your ship comes in m8![:)]

    Cheers
    Wayne

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    P.S. just don’t get sucked in to paying thousands of dollars for a course.

    The fair dinkum ones are generally quite reasonable at a few hundred dollars….and as crashy suggested read lots of books.

    In particular, read books and or do/ courses where the metaphore used suits you.

    For instance the Guppy Series, though undeniably fantastic material, I personally found the metaphore not suitable (for me). But obviously they may make perfect sense to somebody else. Have a good flick through the books before you buy them.

    cheers
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    Hi all

    I wish to learn all I can about Share trading can anyone direct me towards a good book,Seminar,
    or Url Where I can start my journey

    Thank you


    A lot depends on your goals, how much time you want to devote, your starting capital, your risk profile, and your personality/psychological profile; just to mention a few points.

    Tell us more and we will be able to help.

    Wayne

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    That must have been me they were talking about!!!

    Nah! I don’t wear tops I wear shirts….and mother is still alive[:)]….I don’t even iron, hahahaha[:P]

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    ‘Onya Chris

    Keep it up m8…we’ll correct the balance of trade problems all by ourselves, eh!![:D]

    Wayne

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    Crashy,

    Does this Asset mob do Aussie share CFD’s? I can’t find any reference on the sight.

    Cheers wayne

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    But the index is 1 %

    DANGERMOUSE stuff!


    The amount of leverage is largely irrelevant if you stick to your preset risk parameters.

    People tend to feel obliged to crank up their risk just because an instrument is highly leveraged…..NO,NO,NO. Whether margin is 100%, 10%, 5%, 3% or 1% should not matter.

    Stick to your money management rules.

    (end of sermon)[;)]

    I just want 5% margin cause I don’t like a lot of my money in CMC’s account. Safer in my cash management account.

    Wayne

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    I WANT 5%!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (screams while stamping feet!)[:D]

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    This IG Markets mob charges .5% commission on the notional value of the CFD. [:O][:O][:O][:O][:O][:O][:O][:O][:O][:O][:O][:O][:O][:O][:O][:O][:O]

    Pass

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    Have not investigated any alternative CFD platforms yet, but someone gave me this link.

    http://www.igmarkets.com.au/

    another on to check out

    Wayne

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    Westan,

    rofl = rolling on floor laughing

    rotfpmsl = rolling on the floor p**sing myself laughing

    roflmao = rolling on floor laughing my a*** off

    [:D][:D][:D][:D]

    Cheers[;)]

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    Pin

    http://users.bigpond.com/prominex/pegasus.htm

    This chap trades longside trades only, no leverage at all.

    Imagine what can be done with some leverage and decent money management.[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

    The techniques are easy….the psycology is the hard part[;)]

    Wayne

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