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    I am absolutly salivating, and cashed up to the eyeballs.

    But my thoughts are that it will take a year or three for this cycle to play out.

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    “History doesnt repeat, it rhymes”-Mark Twain

    If we look back further than the last 5 years, we see an oscillation of price over and under the value line.

    Value will always keep increasing…unless we get a full blown depression ah la 1929 style. But lets ignore that possibility for a minute.

    But what this means is that historically, when prices become higher than value, they will eventually correct…the interesting thing is that it usually overshoots to the downside of this value line, only for the process to start all over again.

    My question is is this: Do the forumites believe that prices are over valued, fair value, or undervalued?

    Clues…Yield, price/average earning multiples, % earnings paid as mortgage etc.

    I have my mind firmly made up in this regard and will resist the temptation debate this with others on this point. If your mind is made up then why argue? Just invest according to your plan.

    Those who’s mind is not made up could just benefit from the discussion, one way or the other.

    My view.

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    The chap with the margin loan, allows interest to capitalize.

    I once had a LOC that allowed interest to capitalize also. Maybe this is what is being done.

    But I agree with Celivia’s comments. (in line with my bearish stance)

    An extended flat market would be most disconcerting if employing this strategy.

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    Just as an aside, this type of strategy is being employed by a sharetrader I know, with margin lending.

    This particular chap has already removed in excess of his entire initial investment from the account, as income, and still has buckets of equity.

    So as a concept, it does very well in the right circumstances.

    I believe there are some interesting tax implications as well….as you are not selling an asset. Any accountants to expand on this?

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    Originally posted by Aceyducey:

    alias,

    You’re much better off looking at one of the UK property forums.

    There are several good one including Housemouse (http://www.housemouseuk.com).

    Get some info on them straight from the mouse’s mouth!

    Cheers,

    Aceyducey

    Very good Acey, my missus just happens to have some houses over there…(never to sell!), now I can keep my finger on the pulse. [exhappy] Thanks!

    I notice some interesting discussion on the future of prices on that forum too…LOL It’s all good fun![wink]

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    >>However I never trust metaphors that attribute physical laws to human-driven enterprises.<<

    That is of course your right. But it should be noted that there are those amongst us who in fact base their investment decisions upon physical phenomina….some even manage to do this successfully.

    I must point out however, that you seem to have taken my tides comment literally. I doubt that too many people did the same.

    >>Humans are far too unpredictable for me to put my money down based purely on what happened in the past….<<

    I agree up to a point…individuals are pretty much unpredictable. Humans in a crowd situation have behaviours which tend to reoccur often enough, to be able to make an educated guess as to what will happen next.

    A case in point is the advertising industry. They have studied which words, colours, shapes etc that have an impact on the greatest number of people. There are numerous more examples.

    >>people LOVE finding patterns. Sometimes it’s better to look at the information objectively however.<<

    I admit it! I love finding patterns also! As a matter of fact I have made a career out of it. A combination of the two disiplines (finding patterns & objectivity) is not a bad approach. I may even add a touch of objectivity in my analyses. LOL

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    Originally posted by Aceyducey:

    Originally posted by wayneL:

    Think of the tides Kay. What happens after a low tide?

    Since when has the gravitation influences of the moon and sun had a signficant effect on inflation rates?

    You can’t reasonably expect to use the regularity of tides (which are not entirely regular anyway – they’re the result of a chaotic system) to establish a comparison with inflation rates!

    Cheers,

    Aceyducey

    I would have thought one of such vast experience such as yourself, would be aware of the use of metaphor.

    The economy, and components of the economy tend to move in cycles. The tide is merely a metaphor to illustrate that, in a very basic way!

    The boom bust cycle has been with us for a very long time and I don’t envisage that will end anytime soon.

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    Originally posted by kay henry:

    Bionic,

    Inflation is lower than it has been for 4 years (since the inception of the GST, where inflation, as measured by CPI came in at 6%!!). The annual inflation rate came in this week at 2%. That is in the bottom range of the Reserve Bank’s target of 2-3% inflation.

    Where does your prediction of rampaging inflation come from?

    kay henry

    Think of the tides Kay. What happens after a low tide?

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    Originally posted by Aceyducey:

    Yup,

    I like motivational tapes.

    You can find a surprising variety of them at the local library – so consider your options before forking out big bucks.

    New tapes aren’t necessarily ‘better’.

    Cheers,

    Aceyducey

    Agree, the best program I have ever listened to is over 20 years old. It was by James Rohn, can’t remember the title, but when I dig it out of the boxes still unpacked in the shed, I’ll listen a few more times.

    Cheers

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    Yeah! Just do it!

    Just don’t do it like the kiwi investor mentioned in todays Financial Review…or the first home buyers with negative equity mentioned by Aussie John in the same article.

    Cheers

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    Originally posted by kay henry:

    5 units @ 80k each seems prety good- PARTICULARLY if they are on the beach!

    Bear in mind, that 40k return is 5% yield on 400k. Are the units strata titled? Are you into reno’s?

    Oh Kay! Your mathematics!!!!

    40,000/400,000 = 10% [grad]

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    Originally posted by SuperTed:

    I would buy $550K of NAB shares. Highest yeilding bank share atm (and fully franked).

    (deleted) chastising myself for being negative.

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    Originally posted by mysta:

    I started voting for the Greens about 6 years ago, it was as far away from the Lab’s & the Lib’s as i could get. I suggest we should all do the same as these guys are not worthy of our hearts and minds.

    Warning![offtopic]

    In principle this is a good idea. But, notwithstanding their stand on environmental issues, which are generally meritorious, these guys are about as far left as you can get without being overtly Marxist.

    It would be nice if there were someone closer to the centre of politics…. for the moment the big X gets my vote.

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    Originally posted by Jerzy Balowski:

    …and you have the Tories in Canberra to thank for that.

    LOL!!!!! (SLAP!)

    Wake up and smell the coffee! I rather think it was a bipartisan effort.

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    Originally posted by cobra8272:

    Housesonly certainly seems to know his stuff but then so do the respondents.
    Again i think some areas will decline others increase.
    Here in Perth we seem to have some growth left as employment is up and we are far behind Eastern States.Same as 2years ago

    I have just moved from Melbourne to Perth (Home[biggrin]) and I partially agree.

    The Perth market has always lagged the eastern states…both booms and busts.

    There are still some areas of quite good value. But In my opinion certain sectors of the market are more overvalued than Melbourne.

    I still think that the good value areas will become better value areas as this cycle plays out. They will get sucked down with the rest of the market. ( not to the same extent of course)

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    Originally posted by Pisces:

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    Who don’t they also also apply the same tax to share investors ?

    JEEZUZ! Don’t even say that in jest! They might hear you!!!!!!!!!

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    Hmmmmmmm, I seem to recall all these same arguments being presented some years ago…..just before the last bust!

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    Originally posted by Pisces:

    Wayne, I enjoy your writings but I have my doubts about your grasp of geography.

    I note that in your personal details it shows as :

    User Name: wayneL
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    Perth ? Victoria ?

    I understand that there is a Perth in Tasmania as well but in Victoria ?? [rolleyesanim] [wink]

    Pisces

    [blush2][blush2]Ahem…your post left me grasping for my Readers Digest World Atlas.

    My investigations reveal that it is in fact WA where I currently reside. I even pulled out my street directory, just to check the Perth bit LOL!![party][blink]

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    Originally posted by Aceyducey:
    I love doomsayers.

    It seems we have an instant rapport! I love naysayers too! :)

    Personally I think you’re overlooking a number of events in your claims of thirty years of economic growth….1987 correction, DotCom crash, Asian crisis, 9/11 crash, South American crisis, etc.

    Yes, true! but if you will carefully note, I was speaking of a longer term cycle. But also note that I spoke of fractals, or patterns inside patterns. This is the scale of those points you raise. Significant, yet smaller in scale than the overall picture I am refering to.

    Of course if you look at it across thirty years they all look like minor bumps in a constant upwards march….But so does the Great Depression if you look at the last 100 years.

    Frankly it’s a matter of scale and definition.

    Yes, you have it with scale. Unfortunately the picture is somewhat distorted because people use an arithmetic scale when looking back over the last century.

    You must look at a logarythmic(can’t remember how to spell that)scale to get a true picture. You will then see the significance of the ’29 event, and the lesser significance of the others.

    Will there be a bust – um…what’s a bust?

    Define what you mean by a bust & then we can have a real discussion :)

    Well, that IS a hard question. One that I will maintain an intentional vagueness about:) I have my ideas what it will be like but they are shere conjecture at this point.

    I know some very smart people too – none of them are stashing gold, silver or platinum in the ground…..but a number of whom are spreading their risk across a number of different asset classes.

    I am personally not so bearish as to go to this extent either. But as far as I am concerned liquidity is King… Unless I see value that is just to good to knock back.

    Good luck waiting for those ‘substantially’ lower RE prices! (whatever you mean by substantial)

    Thank you. But luck will not be required. Patience will. Substantially lower means that prices will represent value my my own measure, value that has been achievable immediately prior to this current boom,…similar value that is, not similar prices.

    And remember – you should NEVER try to apply identical metrics to shares & property – you lose every time :)

    Even though we have known each other for such a short time, you are a true friend. Thank you for this advise.

    However I am approaching this from a different angle than you might imagine. The economic cycle is really a manifestation of social mood. We point to the stock market, mainly because it is so easily and accurately quantifyable. But we also track other things that are less easily quantifyable, including such things as Real estate, art, music/movies, politics, religion etc.

    The social mood will effect different things at different times. These are all blunt mesures of mood, so the timing of peaks and troughs in the cycle is mainly guesswork. As I said in my post above, it may not happen for a while yet, but it may have already started. Nevertheless my plan is in place and is working satisfactorily.

    That’s all I’m really trying to get across, is to have a contingency plan.

    Globally there are always ups and downs….the secret is in making sure you have good suspension :)

    Yup! suspension tuned to the terrain[medieval]

    Cheers,

    Wayne

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    Well said Pisces,

    Hypoglycemia is a hidden epidemic.

    I would urge everybody to take more interest in their health.

    My additions to the list in no particular order:
    Friendship
    Love
    Balance
    Spirituality

    Hopefully the above can be achieved with those closest to us…spouse, family etc

    My old man used to say: Money only makes poverty bearable! LOL

    Cheers

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