The banks won’t let me have less than 20-30% equity so with a portfolio of 2 million now and 4 or 6 million in 15 years time I’ll have about one million left in the bank. That’s if I stop investing and developing now.
OK, so I have found the relevant thread, now Robert, my point was that if living off the equity means I have to sell after 10-15 years, I’ll still have some cash in the bank, let’s say a million or two so whether the interest will be enough for me or I have to use up the capital, I can’t see much problem unless I live to a 100 or more….
[u]Originally posted by The Mortgage Advisor:[/u]
“I saw a person who used it for one year and used most of the funds to invest in additional income producing assets. I do not consider this ‘living’ off equity.”
Let me be a nitpicker…I did not say what proportion I used to invest…I might be leading an expensive lifestyle…[biggrin]
And I’m not saying this was the only time I’ve “harvested”….my bank manager tells me he can give me 60K per annum no questions asked…wow…let that be an inspiration for beginners….and if I stuff up bad in 15 years? ….hmmm…that could mean I have to sell up at the age of 65…
A fascinating train of thought from Michael, Robert, Mark and so on…
I’m in a position where I could live off the equity, in fact I did for the last year while at the same time started a new job(business) and bought an IP with the intention to develop it.
A few questions to Robert…
In 10-15 years what will happen to the cashflow (rents) from the IPs? Do you expect that they remain at the same levels or will increase with inflation?
Do you recall that Michael suggests using part of the equity to fund new projects? The simple 2 lot subdivision I’m trying to do should create a block worth at least $150K while the value of the existing house on subdivided land would not be much lower than what I paid in the first place. Then I’ll have the option to sell and pay tax or build and hold so I can borrow against the newly created equity….does it bother me if the prices remain a bit flat?
By the way, historically property prices (more than)double in every ten years and if you recognise the cyclical nature of the market then you won’t panic when prices start to fall….quite the opposite, you will see opportunities everywhere you look…
I’ve only been in this game for 3 years and the money I invested in education is under $2,000…maybe I’m a quick learner ….BUT…Michael doesn’t need these seminars to live off the fees, he’s doing them probably because he is keen to pass on knowledge and enjoys this type of work, the interaction and challenges so I say, good on him….everybody has a choice to pay him or ignore him….
surreyhughes, are you in VIC? If you are could you please shed some light on how do you fit land tax into your strategy? Thanks.
As I’m still waiting for my first subdivision application to go through, I’m trying to access some more equitiy and as land is very cheap now and builders deals are getting more and more attractive, I am tempted to to do some developing in new housing estates. However, I’m not so sure that even with the most careful planning I can achieve the 20% equity on completion.
..as I said I’m still not sure how it works….so I assume that for a 2 million portfolio your land tax is over 15K (1.7% over 175k) which is an expense when calculating your income tax? Although if you live on borrowing against your equity then this is just another cost on top of your interest payments, right? Still short of the more than 50% if you’re on a salary or business income.
Hi Guys….Michael and all the Others
I’m still relatively new to Victoria. In the last year I’ve learned that property developing here is probably better than my buy & hold strategy that I used in NZ. Through my circumstances I ended up refinancing anyway and bought a property that I’m trying to subdivide. My question would be about land tax as this is new for me. It makes perfect sense to hold onto your properties and use the newly created equity to propel you ahead but how does land tax affect you…?
Tracy, I would look at three things. firstly, what’s the price of a block of land in the development. Secondly, what’s the price of the house if it was built on your land. Thirdly, look at the growth rate in the area/suburb. If the asking price is considerably higher than what it would cost you to buy the land and have the house built for you, and there is no hope for good capital gains in the next two years than it’s too good to be true. You make your money when you buy, not when you sell. Good luck.
vicgirl
If any of you are interested in subdividing 75 acres in Kilmore, Victoria, please get in contact with me. I am not the owner or their agent, just got the information through a friend.
Hmmmm….certainly interesting postings…I was recently trying to get quotes from smaller builders but I ended up approached by one of them to fund his project…I was told they build for 9-10,000 per square and compared to big builders prices that seems like a lot of money.
I’m thinking of doing the same thing in Victoria. I have two or three properties in mind and won’t rule out a joint venture if anyone is interested. Plus I wonder if anyone has the same problem with this site – that is, I log in “successfully” but when I try to edit my account settings the access will be denied. I’m trying to change my subscription details as my email inbox gets blocked.
Thanks Simon….I have found out more today about this property. It has potential for up to 8 unit sites (350 m2)….got an estimate of costs too. It works out about $60,000 per unit site and as a bonus you get the 3 brm house….sounds fair to me…unfortunately I am not in the position to buy it so if anyone interested please email me. It’s in a very good area.