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    Hi Fatz33. Welcome to the forum. I would suggest you sell and give me a 50% share of the profits. Not happy with that? Ok, well…..So much of this depends on what you want to achieve in life, and ‘where you are at’ as they say. To be debt free is great if that is your goal, but you genuinely do sound like you need to talk to a financial planner that is in the ‘rare’ catagory of being able to do something besides suggest you get out of debt and buy into managed funds so they can get commission, which covers the majority of them sad to say – many only own their own home and a piddling share portfolio, and charge a grand or two per annum to give you a generic 150 page folder full of theoretic waffle.. In the time I have been on this forum, I have consistantly noticed one contirbutor who seems qualified to help with not just loan structuring, but also qualified financial advice – and he is the first person that replied to you. (Qlds007) You have achieved a lot as far as equity goes, that many people would kill for, (figuritively speaking of course) and to invest in the services of a financial planner that has genuine property experience is something I would have loved to do years ago. Make the most of your position. All the best. [strum]

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    Hi Sk2. Congratulations on making the move to buy. There are a few issues with 100% homeloans, which I will touch on for you. Firstly, you will find Wizard and St.George are the two ‘main’ mainstream players in this area. I should also warn you to make sure you check comparison rates. For example, the Wizard Clear value loan, which is an excellent product, has a interest rate of 7.39%, and comparison of 7.42% on a 250k loan for 25 years. IMB, quote 7.37 ….the same loan has a comparison rate of over 8 % !!! (8.02) Also remember the monthly fees also – the Wizard loan has none.
    All that being said, the main areas to be concerned with are as follows.
    1) You will pay significantly higher Lenders Mortgage Insurance than for a 95% loan. Even tossing in an extra grand or two into the deal will reduce this.
    2) Some areas (postcodes) have lending limits for 100% loans. Ie you may find the LMI company will lend $200,000 for a 100% loan in a given area, but $300,000 for a 95% loan. This can put a stick in the spokes.
    3) If there are not many comparable property sales in your area, the mortgage insurance companies can decline your application, as they don’t want to take the risk as they believe that the true value of the property cannot be confirmed, and of course don’t want to risk losing money.

    That’s about it. I think you would be hard pressed to find a loan with much better value, and as you are no doubt aware, it can be ‘split’ into two parts, such as variable and fixed interest at no cost either.
    And as a general tip irrelevant to the LVR of your loan – get a preapproval BEFORE you go looking and making offers. It can save heaps of heartache.
    All the best with your new home plans![strum]

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    Hi goryrory, and welcome to the forum. First, got to congratulate you for the drive and goals. I sold a business to a young fella once, and he was not taken overly seriously by a lot of the suppliers – but with a bit of backing, and a year or so of trading he is now taken very seriously, and gone from strenght to strength. Doing a great job. So……what you are going to need is finance and money – ie Unless you have real estate to draw against, or family to help out (and they would love to help you if they are able I’m sure) you will not be taken seriously unless you do. For example, if you had a third, or half of the purchase price, you can look at trying to organise finance (some will lend up to half the price for a business I believe if you can prove it is profitable, and have a business plan. Don’t laugh, I used to think a business plan was for idiots, my plan being to earn money, and have some nice things – ah hindsight! Anyway, I digress. You of course could also apply for a personal loan as a ‘gap’ between what money you have, and the purchase price. The loan would likely be for a ‘car’ or ‘holiday’ if you know what I mean……Other than that, all I can say is all the best, and of course this is purely an opinion, and not any sort of financial advice. [biggrin][strum]

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    Hi Michelle. Sounds like it could get tricky. From a totally removed viewpoint, if the plan was to sell, then buying you out at half of a current market valuation would be very reasonable. You could always offer a slight discount as a partner too I guess at your discretion. naturally, they would benefit from the current market being lower with a val at this time, and you would miss out on any future capital gain – so it is hardly what would be called unreasonable on what essentially was a business transaction. Get a couple of independant property valuations if you can both agree on this method, and go halves. That’s the theory. All the best.

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    Hi Mike. You will find this topic has been raised by someone else quite recently, and has several replies with a wide variety of info/opinions. Check the forum out and you should find it. All the best.[strum]

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    Hi Anne. Welcome to the forum. Congratulations on your position – I’m not jealous either…..[headphone] A bit of general ‘sounding board’ type reply is-
    1) Don’t rush into spending it all – your priorities and goals can and do change with time. Have you set goals? Not as silly as it sounds, you don’t have to show or tell anyone else.
    2) Investment properties are obviously great, but in all fairness, why would you want to pay someone rent when you could own a modest PPOR instead of a 1.1 mill one outright, and depending on where you are looking at investing, also own several IP’s outright, and then lever off them later to get more?
    Food for thought. In your position it does not sound like it has to be one or the other. All the best with your journey. [strum]

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    Hi, and welcome to the forum. Check out this months issue of Australian Property Investor magazine and you find what you are after I think. All the best (They include the 10 year figures)[strum]
    As a sidepoint, for anyone interested in detailed price history for the NSW south coast/Illawarra area, you can get everything on http://www.allhomes.com.au . Full sale price and history by street address – all at no cost! Would be great if they had this for other regions. Unless they do???

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    Hi. Have you checked out the huge rental estimates and exhorbatant ‘finders fees’ the website in question also features? Just my humble opinion. You may find it much more economical to use a genuine buyers agent, that finds a property to suit your requirements. Not sure what else you were mentioning or replying to, but thought I must mention this. All the best.[strum]

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    Hi again. Couple of additions – Bridgebuff correctly pointed out closing costs need to be considered , but may not have noticed you are eligble for the FHOG, which knocks most of these away. And re the LMI, according to the calc I use, for a basic variable loan, the extra $20k kicked in would give you an LMI premium reduced from $5690 down to $4294 – around $1500 bucks. You could send each of the forum members that have replied to you a case of James Boags Premium, and still have plenty over! [biggrin] Joking of course. Hope all goes well with your home. [strum]

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    Hi Wylie. Too true I am afraid. They are not suitable unless you want to use them for a shelf or book end, but as for cooling……
    I think if you got a basic split system you/he would be pleased. Alternatively, a wall mount cooling only refridgerated one would save you $ and work well too, although big hole in wall…..[strum]

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    Hi. Congratulations – that is pretty special. As far as using the money as an extra deposit, that certainly sounds like a plan. You will be quite surprised how much your LMI takes a dip too with this extra money! (i am not near my trusty calculator, but I would suggest anything beween $1500 and $2000 less LMI, depending on the exact premium, and your savings type etc.) all the best with your new home. [strum]

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    HI all. Interested in Gtphysios comments. What part of NW Tassie did you buy in? I’m guessing Rosebery or Queenstown at that price. The real estate guys that cover those areas I found don’ t seem overly interested in the first place, which is why I ask. None seem interested in even going out of their way to send more than one picture, and expect you to buy on that – yeah right….We bought our 2nd prop in Burnie sight unseen, which we did after finding and using previously an excellent builder to do the prop inspections. True, a bit daunting though. As a sidepoint, the RE we dealt with, that we established a bit if a repoire with, said it surprises him how many (especially locals) do not even think of getting a building report done. [strum] Oh, and while it has been no drama, in all fairness, other than if using a trusted buyers agent, who pumps photos off like a madman/woman to email you/us something to look at, I don’t think we would do it this way again,,,,

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    This reply was sent to me with 5 minutes of my previous post by this tosspot.
    You are to contact me Directly through this email address so I can be able to send to you the Loan Application Form for the Loan.

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    Legit offer I’m sure. Excuse me Mr. Moderator……

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    Hi. As most here say, and I do too, it makes sense on all counts to keep each loan seperate, and not ‘crossed’. However, if it comes down to being able to secure a loan, as opposed to not being able to, sometimes cross colatorising a loan/propertys as security is the only way to achieve what is needed to be done. In all fairness, if you do not plan on actually selling a property for several years (or in the forseeable future) it really is no big deal, and can often save you on Lenders Mortgage insurance, and obviously reduce your LVR. (Margaret Lomas has some very interesting comments on this – that make sense too if you are not planning on doing a ‘buy and sell’.) I must take Richard to task (Sorry, I realise I do not have anywhere near his experience – I am not critisising…[exhappy] ) but you may find Wizard (please do not say GE..yes, I know..) are no different to anyone else in that at the end of the day, if a customer demands to do things a certain way, other than give them options, you cannot endorse officially a way of structuring property loans etc as it encroaches on giving financial advice.) If I can give you an example, I have been with the non bnak lender in question for a while now, and one of my first ‘big’ loan applications was for a client that involved a larger amount, and wanted to refinance his PPOR to finance purchase of another residence, to use for his business, after some renos. I listened to what he was trying to achieve, explained that he would perhaps be better off paying a bit of LMI and keeping both loans sperate, and owning one of the properties outright, even though in my gut I know I could have possibly ‘signed him up’ there and then crossing both properties, but did not. And do you know what? lo and behold even after allowing for a bit of travel to get there after hours, scrubbing one of my mag wheels on his gutter, (should have taken the Daewoo instead of the Ghia dammit) and explaining things as clearly as possible, he went with his bank (CBA) who strongly recommended cross collatoralising the properties, and his accountant also pressured him to do it this way. The only reason I mention that is to show that the old adage of ‘you can lead a horse to water but can’t make it drink; does apply sometimes with the borrower and their accountant, rahter than the lender. Cost me some time and money, and taught me another lesson in the school of life…….And as far as ‘no doc’ goes, Wizard do a ‘Lodoc’ investment loan at 70% LVR that simply requires a declaration of affordability – no income dec involved. All the best with your journey. Take care.[strum]

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    Thankyou so much. I have been beside myself looking for suitable finance, especially at this rate. Can you please post for my benefit, and that of others, the details that will enable us to accept your generous offer of 0.2 % finance, for $250k? I would like to know the LVR you require, and also the settlement terms, and your preference for solicitor, to handle the legal side. Can I get a pre-approval? I am currently self employed working for a bank. I excitedly await your reply Helena. I also used to be married to a Helena Bonham Carter. Are you related in any way, as this may enable us to perhaps liase in order to establish an mutually beneficial business relationship. .[strum]

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    Hi Tancas. We did this ourselves once, in NSW, after having our home for 3 mths with an agent that was useless once we had listed, just wnated to have open houses all the time, and whose staff turned out to have the charisma of a car washing sponge, so if you are even the remotest bit enthusiastic about your home, I’m sure you will be fine. Again, the proceedure depends what state you are in, and I would strongly recommend using a solicitor for the paperwork to ensure it ges through properly when the big day comes (or a good conveyencer if legal in your state) Now…..All we did, was make up a website, with lots of pictures, (outside/inside/yard, night and day etc with the title ‘Nice Family home for sale’, and then ran two adds in two newspapers. (One local, one in the next town -much larger place) The adds were about 2 inches high, 2 colums wide, and simply mentioned the home description, our price, that it was a genuine sale, and directed them ‘See www …..etc for details and pictures’. We also made up a small sign for the front, but it was a cul de sac, so likely did not serve much purpose. The litle bit of money spent there is worthwhile. We had around 9 personal inspections, compared to 4 from the RE. Bit stressful, but so is being with an RE. In the end, it sold to someone out of town, that would not have known about it if not listed in their paper, and out of the other 2 that ‘nearly’ bought it, one of them was not local either. I should point out too, it was a very nice property, on an acre, and well above the median price for the area….If you can do it, go for it. (……and don’t be too greedy – [biggrin] ) All the best.[strum]

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    Thanks for the replys/input etc. I understand that this is how it can be worked as a ‘development’ and off the plan purchases go. What I was referring to (I think Terry had the idea) was where you read of someone who buys a house for say, $150k, at whatever LVR, gets early access, does a quick ‘reno’, and somehow gets it revalued at say $200k, and then gets the 200k financed, thus in theory doing a no money down deal. Nothing I plan on doing at this point, but I am keen to learn what method and or financier is utilised to do this. As far as early access goes, I bet everyone could tell a good story there……. It can be reisky stuff that’s for sure. Heard of one recently where a builder put in an offer of X on a property, with early access to do rennovations, hoping to onsell around the time it settled. Went overboard, (did the whole knock out walls, new kitchen and bathroom thing) and at the last minute just before settlement the vendors current lender (Baaaaa!) decided to not allow it to be sold as it had turned into a property with negative equity. The outcome? The new purchaser ended up paying the extra $25k or so required by the lender – and killing about 1/2 his profit. ……..Anyway, I have digressed. [strum]

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    Hi Marc. Sounds frustrating. Are you actually missing out on properties for rent, or being knocked back. If it is the latter, it is true, your appearance will make a difference. (Each to their own, but sometimes you do have to look the part…) I recall doing a repair job at a real estate agent several years ago, and someone coming in, in a tshirt, unshaven, but seemed to have a nice young family, and the ‘girl’ behind the counter flatly told them no rentals were availalbe at the time. I kid you not, five minutes later a man must have phoned, and after qualifying with a couple of questions, this very same girl proceeded to explain they had several he may be interested in renting, and they looked forward to meeting him etc etc. Please do not take offense, but I thought that may be of some assistance. In all fairness, as long as someone is tidy and shaven (especially if it is a girl [biggrin]) I find it surprising that you would be having this amount of difficulty. perhaps try ringing the agents first? With your stable employment history, and situation you sound like an ideal tennant for a falt or unit I would have thought. Hope it all goes Ok for you. [strum]

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    Hi Bridgebuff. This is one of those things that is a trade off for lower rates. Most do only apply for 1 to 4 years, although a lot of banks have a flat fee (such as ANZ $700) regardless of how long the loan is taken out. While no doubt there are others around if you look, one loan I have written for people that is a fully fetaured loan (like a ‘bank’ standard variable loan – not a basic one) that has absolutely no DEF or DAF (deferred establishment or deferred application, deferred administration – same thing different lingo) and a lower interest rate than their loans is the Wizard Smart Choice loan product. This currently has an interest rate of 7.72%, with a comparison/true rate of 7.77%. If it saves you looking up general info you can find some at http://www.wizard.com.au/homeloans/product.aspx?productid=103&pathwayid=6 . of course, all fixed interest rate loans have very hefty penalties for early payouts. Some of the brokers may also have info on loans without significant DEF’s also. All the best. [strum]

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    Hi. I think you will find that if the casual work is within the same industry type, and he is not on any type of trial period, you should find things not too hard to work out with a good lender or broker. If it is for investment purposes, and you have enough equity to cover 30% deposit, I personally think some of the Lo-doc loans are good (grab yourself an ABN though) In this case, you often only have to sign a declaration of affordability only, (ie, no mention of income)and then use your existing equity for the security along with the other new property. Less than ideal in some peoples opinion having more than one security, but if it gets you what you want…..All the best ….![strum]

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