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    Not sure. Over four months? I think maybe some house pricing will start to creep down other than for 'up market/seaview' type property. Sharemarket could be in for some major ups and downs, but my inexperienced (share wise) gut feels that within four months it should be somewhere between todays close and what it was a few weeks back. ….quite managable for long term investors. Property? I think even another rate rise will still not affect the majority of home buyers and investors…..only those highly geared. I genuinely hope something will soften a bit property wise anyway, as so many people are struggling to buy property as owner occupied, but having owned homes previously, there are no concessions from the government to help.
    ($20,000 'cash' is needed to buy a $300k house even at 100% finance!)
    BUT…..in the next four months, there will be a percentage of people that panic sell property and or shares, making it a great time to have ready cash or equity to buy up sensibly.  I guess that was probably not as specific opinion as you may have been chasing wfl but best I can do….

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    Hey RL. See my post above. You will pay for an early exit. However, if anyone with a variable rate loan is concerned about the current market, why not look at splitting and fixing a portion of your loan. Fixed rates are varied, but at the present time, another rate rise of .25 will be more than the current fixed rated.  Probably a good time to do it as any for people on a tight weekly cashflow budget. Might coast a couple of hundred bucks depending on the lender, but could be money well spent IMHO. All the best.

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    Storm in a teacup – and lots of media and even 'industry pundits' just love to add fuel to the fire if it sounds sensational . If Rams had not just listed on the stock exchange prior to the probs with the US market, and the subsequent battering of their share price on the  ASX has taken as well, they would not have been singled out over any of the other non-bank lenders. Aussie Homeloans have concurred, Wizard have been featured…..one other lender has decided to put off listing on the Asx……Everyone is essentailly in the 'same boat', but the so called' big 4' banks have the benefit of using funds deposited over the counter to lend, rather than 'buying money' which is the simplest way of explaining things. Rams has three main sources from where it secures it's funds – one of them is affected due to the US housing market problems. Did you see the announcment that first led to all of this media coverage? It said in effect ' If the US market etc etc problem reamins as is, it will have an effect on our profitability'. Funny thing that even the the CEO of the Commbank indicated they may also raise their rates along with some of the other lenders. (dispite the billions of profit reported this year) . What needs to borne in mind, is that the majority of non bank (thus 'securitised lenders' ) usually offer rates and features (and  importantly, personalised service if a 'retail' rather than a 'wholesale' lender ) of a more competitive nature than banks, which is why so many people choose to finance their property with them – so if that gap close it is not the end of the world as they say. All of Rams (and I would assume others mentioned) loans are Mortgage Insured.
    By all means if you feel uncomfortable refinancing with any lender, either wait or don't.
    Check out todays SMH, the article by Malcolm Maiden.
    One exerpt reads ' Australian Homeloans are highly rated generally, and there is no credit quality problem for Rams. It is an  A-Rated issuer, 100 percent mortgage insured, and still pumping commercial paper into the market as it writes new loans here. But the cost of funds has risen quickly, by enough for it to warn yesterday that there could be a material financial impact in it's first financial year as a listed company.   It insinuates the 'big banks' must be tempted by the current share price, (even more than the chunk of Rams shares now already owned by them no doubt……..)  :-) Hope that helps explain things a bit. If nothing else, a lot of people are learning about how the actual money marker works as a result of the US problem.

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    Hey crashy. I am familiar with an 80% nodoc at better than the banks rates , and there  is also a competitive 85% lo doc that may get you out of strife, and both loans with no LMI. If they will make a difference I could put you in contact with someone nearby that will be able to help with them. Beats the loan sharks, sorry I mean 'private funds'.
    All the best with your reno and sell. Let us know how it goes.

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    Good on you Ian. Feel free to PM me with a bit more info.
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    Just gotta say….great reply Simon. Could not have put it better myself.

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    There are a lot of successful role models (for want of a better expression) that have achieved phenomenal success with real estate, and in turn have encouraged many others to take the plunge – a far cry from the 'Free' bank type financial planner or even worse, the AMP plebe type that would never recommend real estate …of course it 'costs too much to get into, is 'too risky' and does not pay commissions…….yeah right) Now after that intro, I do believe it would be ignorant to post an 'opinion' on a real estate forum when you have not read any of the person in questions real estate books – the very last one of Margarets, the truth about positvely cashflow property is a really good read, and unlike many other books (Kiyosaki comes to mind) offers real strategies. Perhaps it may be worth looking at this prior to any opinions are formed.

    I also believe there is more than one way to skin a cat, and so much of how we achieve any gains from real estate depends on our time, money, risk, and sometimes a bit of luck (ie – booms etc) thrown in. I guess the other 'Australian' thing is to sometimes feel threatened by anyone that has achieved a measure of success perhaps in a different (less or more successful- it's objective sometimes…) way to what they may have done themselves, advocate or promote.

    I would look at the likes in Australia of people like Margaret Lomas, Chris Gray, Michael Yardney, Steve Mcknight and Hans Jakobi who all come to mind off the cuff as people that have achieved much with real estate (whether they agree with each other or 'like' each other or not)  and all have plenty to offer as far as learning from their various 'stategies'. Sure, they all differ to a degree, but all have worked for them respectively, so others can surely learn something from people like this. There are also plenty of forum members too (one who appears to own half of Queensland…. , also obviously through a lot of skill, hard work and risk taking as well!) that have their own methods that have worked, and preferences as far as finance structuring, property location, anf a myriad of other things go………..but how about lets all keep from slagging others who have achieved something worthwhile real estate, business or lifestyle wise, and don't mind sharing it with others, whether charged for or not.

    No offence intended to anyone – but hopefully a bit of balance rather than a peeing contest or that horrible 'tall poppy' syndrome unique to our wonderful country at times …..

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    Hi Stella – what can I say – two things actually. First, a big congratulations, and second, welcome to the forum. Look forward to hearing more. All the best.

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    Hi RL – Great stuff.
    As far as loan goes, answer is yes, up to 110% LVR, but not without equity in another property. So that is effectively no for many investors/buyers.
    There are other options – how is your 'loan servicing' ability? Money to burn, on a tight weekly budget, or somewhere in between?

    all the best….

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    While the time frame does not sound good, a combination of contruction loan and a revised borrowing figure would hold things up a bit, and it is the mortgage insurer usually. I had a deal with ING where the borrower, after conditional approval, negotiated a further discount of $3000, solicitior was not privy to this (theirs) and to cut a long story short, when both solicitors got their respective acts together, the whole process had to be virtually gone through again, as the mortgage insurer viewed it as a 'new deal'. believe it or not. So an extra four weeks went onto the setllement date almost, and the client was rewareded with a $300 extra fee for redrawing up the loan documents by the lender….worth it to get the 3k off of course, but this type of thing will cause details unfortunatley when loan amounts change prior to settlement/unconditional approval.  Hopefully by now your lender has got on top of this for you, and you can start building! All the best.  

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    Hi jonglen – and welcome to the forum. Based on what you have posted, one idea may be as follows. Normally 90 or 95% LVR loan is good for an IP – 100% is possible with some lenders, but there are often conditions, and it's a big chunk of LMI you will get stuck for. As you mentioned you are on a good income, saving up a bit more to add to your deposit sounds like a plan, and maybe aim for having a 5 or 6% deposit as a minimum – on a $200k property, you would only need a few grand extra now to cover that, with stamp duty and LMI.
    WHile I/O on your own home will keep your repayments lower with the option to add more as you are able, as it is your own home, and thus non deductable interest, and is highly geared and you are on good income, P&I would appear to be the logical option for you in my books, with interest only on your IP when you get it, with any spare funds going into your own home. It sounds like you will have your 1st IP real soon too at this rate – go for it, and good on you.

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    Hi Debden – good on you for doing your Cert4 – it will help with work that's for sure. Did you know many brokers/staff do not even have the old 'Cert3', and have done very little to educate themselves on the market and how to treat customers. Of course, I am a great believer that genuine practical experience outweighs any 'qualifications……that said, there are indeed plenty of agregators, but the MFAA changed guidleines this year for membership (it is an absolute crock if yo ask me, but tha't another story) meaning that you need either 2 years industry experience, OR your Cert 4 and a couple of other basic intor MFAA courses. Essentially, you then need a 'sponsor', which would be either your employere or under the umbrella of the aggregator if you can find one who will help you. PLAN and CHOICE come to mind, but I cannot say how they are in regard to your issue. Many mortgage or industry type magazines are full if adds for aggregators, so that may be an idea to track some down. All the best with the broking……..and if I can give you 15c worth of my opinion for the journey……….  0.3% of something is better than 0.75% of nothing :-) Let us know how you go.  PS IF you do decide to work for/along with another borker, run a mile from any 'commission only' positions.

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    Hi Lisa. Yes, with Lo-doc loans that 20% deposit bit does hold back – shame your westpac boy did'nt congratulate you on the work you've done but……… My only suggestion would be as follows-
    1) Is there any 'meat' you could pull out of the first two units if you refinanced with another lender and a favourable val? Depends how long ago were done, and any exit fees form the lovely folk at westpuk. You could look into that perhaps. Might get a few xtra grand that way. 
    2) I know of one lo- doc loan that is 85% lvr, which can be done as lo or no doc, at a very reasonable rate loading of .2% (7.99% @ 80% and 8.19% @ 85% LVR) Other than that, while there are 90 and even 95% (for metro) lo-doc options, they can be postcode restriced, and boy do you get fleeced on the interest rates.
    THe xtra 5% may make a difference, depending on how much you are financing, but other than that if your equity is maxed out for now, it may well be a case of sitting back for a while, and getting ready to pounce once some funds are accumulated. All the best.

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    Hey Boshy – and congrats on the purchase. DOn't be too hard on your partner – we all change over time, and at least you have your fist – one more than most. You will freak your partner though if you sart talking about jumping from thsi one, to owning four IP's though – it is an alien thought to how most of us have been/were brought up. Most of us wish we started earlier. If your proeprty is heavily negatively geared I could understand their concern. …..you may find that in a year or so when you have enjoyed some capital growth and or income and have something tangible to show, it will be a different story. All the best.

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    I think there is a side to Hutch's comments that ring all to true sadly – I have seen people who could have walked in and out of a bank with a 'yes' have a brokered loan take a week or more to get the same result. While there are always excpetions and anumber of varying factors, many lenders do tend to treat the brokered loans with a bit of slack attitude – I can't explain why for sure – I have the feeling this is why many larger brokers tend to deal with the banks only, and with clients that have a 20% deposit mininum. I have 'brokered' some loans as a broker, and as using a 'lending panel' when there have been special needs, and myself, felt uncomfortable with the poor service and time frames provided by the particular lenders 'Mortgage Origination team'. ….and you can't do much about it either, and as Richard mentions, as far as settlement goes you have little if any control over it al all. That raises another point, most lenders have a totally different channel or department for their broker originated loans as opposed to their direct clients.  And yes, some brokers are indeed pretty poor too, there are some real cowboys, who recommend lenders based on commissions (that they still fail to disclose) and have staff who have little real life experience or skills, and no tertiary qualifications whatesover…)  I am not sure why a broker would recommend a rams construction loan over any other lenders construction loan without more detail,  but the real test of the whole situation would be to find out how long it was from when the broker supplied every document the lender required of them on your behalf, to when you got your written approval – you will likely find there has been some buck passing and toing and froing, as I don't know about the 'verbal' approval bit – 1st for me.
    A good broker will really come into there own for balance sheet type borrowers, time poor people without 'deadlines', large investors, major  projects and constructions, or helping with loan structuring for maximum borrowing power……..but for the average person who is looking for a PPOR loan, and or buying a few investment properties, I would suggest go th your lender directly and save adding an 'extra link into the chain' – because that really is what you are doing.    That's what I have found to be the case over the last couple of years anyway…….. 

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    Hi Lisa – Welcome to the forum – BIG CONGRATULATIONS on a nice portfolio. It does not have to stop there tha'ts for sure. I'm guessing you are all with the one lender eh? THought so. And it's a bank too? Yup thought so too. See another lender, and probably a non bank or different bank if you must. Some banks (which bank) only count 75% of your rental income as income, and they 'load up' the interest rate for your loan servicability assessment on all the loans you have with them, at the P&I rate and payments – even if they were interest only. So unless you have a rental return of astronomical amounts, you will run out of steam so to speak…. A minor hurdle for someone who has achieved five properties already Lisa! Let us know how you go, or if you need any more specifics. All the best.

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    Hi Devo….never one to knock someone elses wheels….and we won't discuss what even holden nuts called these (the two nciknames…rmember???) …but honestly, if you can get anywhere near the price you are talking (more than a XY GT) mate…Grab it and use that sweet profit….don't take that the wrong way either…….THink of all that CGT free real estate you can buy!

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    Hey Miily. I would suggest take what has happened so far 'on the chest', but arrange to show them (or all who live there) how to do it, step by step, even blow it out and get them to have a practice or two while you are there, smile, be nice, and advice them this is not covered as a repair, and there is no need for them to pay someone else to do (which they will do next time for that reason) it as they have just seen how easy it is….ball is then in their court, and then I'm sure you will have no more probs.

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    Hi passnby. Heard that they were getting that award yesterday. They are a cheaper 'internet' based loan company, or in other words, have no retail presence. If you are happy with that, comfrotable with finance, (ie are doing a refi or know what you are doing) don't need a branch to walk into, and don't plan on reselling the property anytime soon – maybe they are just what you need. On the other hand, why would you use a broker to get a rams laon if there is a rams branch near you somewhere? BEtter to deal with the source unless you are isolated somewhere or have other reasons. My opoinion only of course – if you know the Aussie guy, or already have established a good relationshiop with them, by all means, I retract my comment. Hey all the best.

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    Hi Kirsteh, and welcome to the forum.  Sounds like you have done your homework, and found something with potential. Good on you. As far as finance goes, it should not be much of a problem, as long as you can 'service' the loan (ie in the lenders eyes-or-spreadsheet meet the repayments, which will included of course rental income) I imagine that will not be a problem for you.
    So…..couple of ways you can do it, and the 'best way' depends whether or not your 20k equity in your PPOR is availabe right now, via redraw, or whether you would have to refinance your home loan as well, and of course your short and long term goals. Yours is probably one of the very few situations where using both properties as security (often called cross securitising or cross collatorising) could be a viable option, but there are others. Here are the two 'main' ways, using 'approximate' figures. Please note, I am assuming you mean you have $20k equity in your home, via the current loan, and not in the new property – as in all but few cases, the financier uses the lowest of your purchase price, or the property valuation as the sale (and thus loan) figure for calculations.
    Option One
    . Using your $20k (if readily available or refinanced) come up with 5% deposit , $6500, and get a 95% LVR loan on your IP. You will need perhaps $1500-$2000 for inspections, your solicitor etc, plus between $150 and $850 (depending on lender) to allow for settlement fees, application and or valuation fees, and a big chunk of money for LMI (one off charge – lenders mortgage insurance, perhaps around $3600-$4300 or so.  And then…….stamp duty. That's a good chunk of your $20 grand gone, but she's yours, and while 'tight', is a totally seperate entity to your home. Great stuff!
    Option Two. You could refinance your home and the new property togehter, but generally this is only a serious consideration when your borrowings (ie price of both properties compared to total borrowings for both properties) would be less than 80%, saving thousands on the LMI…but it does not sound like it would be in your case. Down the track, once the capital growth has kicked in, you could then change this arrangement to suit. Bear in mind refinancing and altering securities can cost money both in valuation fees, and loan payout fees, but if you are not planning on selling or buying more in the immediate future, it may be a good option. ….that said, without knowing the exact details of your current loan (for example, you may have $2ok equity, but perhaps your house has risen in value significantly since your current lender valued it) it is hard to offer any more specifics. That said, I like option one myself, but would be happy with option 2 if it was the difference between getting and not getting your property investment started. But either way, you are essentially buying your first IP 'no money down'.  Congratulations!
      

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