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    Jaffasoft wrote:
    Is an offset account something that the banks (in my case NAB negotiations) know they make a lesser profit on? As i suggested it to my bank and the guy talked me out of it. But this is a simple little P&I. I want to and probably will pay a 6 month loan repayment to secure a buffer up front.

    You are spot on – a loan with 100% offset attached is the lowest profit margin for the banks – by quite a bit. …. a line of credit is the highest. (generally)
    While an offset account is a great method for people with surplus cash, or that plan to have proceeds from something to park effectively 'tax free' at home loan rates for a while, it is not necessarily the best loan for many people, and usually not for someone who has no investment plans etc.
    The main reason is that the offset loans only go with the 'standard variable' loans as a general rule of thumb, or a discounted rate if you pay an annual fee/package.
    While I am not suggesting your bank/banker/broker did the right thing, if you do the sums, someone who is unlikely to ever have more than a few grand sitting in the offset transaction account, is better off with a disounted rate no frills variable loan……they will save more on the lower rate, than a higher rate offset by a few bucks each month.
    ……..Then again, you might have a few mill tucked away to offset I'm guessing…heh heh.
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    rgupta78 wrote:

    Richard and other finance brokers out there, can you guys offer a similar product? What info can you provide? The concept is quite logical, we put all our income in the Offset account and not spend a penny out of it for the month )which we DO at the moment), so we offset the Principal with that amount and save on interest compounded daily for 30 days, and then the amount we spend from the NIVA gets added to our Principal amount on the 31st day. And then comes the 1st of the next month when we have another same NIVA buffer which allows us to again put all our income in the Home Loan and live o nthe NIVA buffer. Really the guys as Lending Institue are selling an idea which any mathematician could have come up with but did NOT!!! So, how are the Lending Institute any worse than any other Finance Advisor/Lending Institution out there??? Please advice!! Any opinions people??

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    RG.

    Mate you can't be serious? Anywhere that offers a true offset account (or even an 'all in on account for that matter, but differnent purpose – workings) works on the same principal – reduce your daily interest by offsetting it via your salary, rental income, or other funds in your offset transaction account . If one of the banks charge you seven grand to do that for you instead of FREE maybe they could put on some more staff to improve service levels – who knows. I beleive I have 'freeness of speech' in this area beacuse I am not formally 'a broker' and I don't advertise or pursue any business whatsoever here, whether passively or directly.
    As you corectly state 'anyone could have come up with this idea' – and indeed they have.
    I d think it is terrific to be loyal to a product you have spent money on, or an organisation you work for though


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    Would have been terrific back in 1998 – but for now it is soooo outdated, no matter what you are told.
    Very similar concept to the '11 second solution' – great in it's time.
    Invest the $2.5k in some real estate!
    all the best.

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    Any of the major banks (as they balance sheet lend) will lend you 80% of 'their' valuation. The only reason you would be getting a no, is if you do not have the income to 'service' the loan, or if you are self employed, and do not have the necessary documentation /profit/income to do the same. Without more detail, it is hard to say.

    All the best.

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    No – and I deliberately refused to look at their weblink. Look, each to their own, but if a 'lender' can con $7k out of someone to sign up, then they are that good they must deserve every cent! Man alive – it sounds worse than the crack head 'mortgage reduction specialists' that use south australian named banks to provide expensive 'lines of credit' along with exhorbatant (although not 7k!!!) fees to 'help' reduce the mortgages of gullible people. Seriously, this is disturbing. I recently had dealings with a client who was about to exit a 7.65%fixed loan to sign up with one of these programs to 'save money'. Retention of this loan, along with a variable loan and 100% offset account for new borrowings , and a  loan package, (and no charge to do it) saved the day! Only reason I mention this is because all sorts are coming out of the woodwork to prey on people terrified by all the interest rate rise hype. IF you truly believe this will save money – get it in writing, and a loan comparison……ah, did'nt think they would do that……..

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    The main difference will be on an LOC you will pay nothing until you use the funds – on the loan with 100% offset you will be paying loan repayments still, as soon as the loan draws down! …… it is just that they would all be paying off the principal, rather than interest if you had the same amount 'offset'. . Based on what info you have provided, I cannot see why you would not use an LOC. Remember, once a line of credit type loan (or whatever fancy name the particular lender gives it) if you end up drawing the whole lot eventually, for deposits, repairs whatever, you can always then swap it for a 'standard' loan or offset loan with a lower rate. Bear in mind, if you are a strong negotiator, have plenty of equity, and put in a bit of effort, you will find you may get a line of credit loan for not much mor than a 'normal' loan.
    all the best.  :-)

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    Sorry V71 – unless you edited your question, I misread it and Terry's reply  is correct – your actual borrowing 'power'/how you are assessed is essentially no differernt whether you are P&I or interest only – but as mentioned, you can borrow interest only without being for 'investment'. All the best.

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    Yes, interest only loans are avialable for owner occupiers and investors. Remember rental you receive (or estimeate of what you will receive) goes towards your assessment as income (approx 80% of it). All the best.

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    Hi Meakin. Good on you for making a start. Teachers income is highly regarded (ie stability/security etc) and unless you have a lot of personal debt, or live in an expensive area, I'm sure you will be able to make a start. Are you familiar with the first home owners grant? This will make a huge difference if you have never lived in an owned home before.
    Depends how high you are aiming? Are you prepared to move or transfer to an area with housing in a lower price bracket?
    Some mortgages are not that much more than rent, but of course you have rates, maintnence etc. Check out some of the bank websites and you will find easy to use buying and selling, and loan repayment  cost calculators – have a play and let us know wha you do/think. All the best.

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    Hi Anrobel,
    Visit the ATo website – everything you need is there. I suggest the NAT1729 Rental properties guide (se page 9) and also ther is plenty of other help, rulings, and info on repairs, what is and is not deductable etc. I think you will get a pleasant surprise. All the best.

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    Yep. Know someone that used to work for them, and they told me it scared them for life. And I believe them too!

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    Congratulations……so what are you waitng for.! g….o for it……..  Here are a couple of suggestions…..
    1) Do the 'buy one, two or three' cheaper properties, (don't have to be in Melbourne) spread the risk, (ie maybe buy in different areas) and you will have a few tax concessions and probably not even know you have them…until you enjoy growth in a few years time.
    2) alternatively, with the amount of money are are looking at spending, and with what I assume (perhaps wrongly) on your income in your job you possibly do not have a lot of time spare on your hands, perhaps look up someone that is experieinced as a buyers agent in Melboure (a forum contributor, and very knowledgable Michael Yardney would come to mind as someone to have a chat with about this) and get them to get your first one, and enjoy some tax beneifts anf capital growth long term.
    All the best.

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    Hey alotti,
    Good on you. Michael's comments ring out oh so true. It is terrific that you are keen to invest (rather than spend) some of the money on your future. I must agree with the comments on some of the chepaer properties. So many people feel yo have to have a $400k or more property to be an 'investment'…….many of these people are the guys hurting bad now – very heavily neg geared, and going backwards. That said, there is nothing wrong with that if you have done the research, and are geeting great capital growth. The cheaper stuff is good too – just make sure you are careful to buy in an area that is not a ghost town or really small regional area. Really though, some of the sub $200k properties are growing a few percent (5-7%) in value annually – slow but steady, and a great option to look at for making whoever left you the money proud of you. All the best.  :-)

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    Hi Get rich,
    I guess you could ask how long is a piece of string?
    Here is a few questions that should make a difference to your choice of lender. (oh, by the way, brokers don't recommend NAB unless it suits them, sorry to say. (usaully use Homeside – the Nab owned 'competitor' that pays more – Why? Because it is better for you? No….they are the only lender that does not pay a trail commission to the brokers, which of course is not in the interests of a broker now, as wonderful as the theory sounds that they are busy out there 'working to find you the best deal'. )
    Of course some do – you just gotta find one.!. A HR manager I know from CBA made the comment to me once that one of the challenges all banks face, is trying to differentiate themselves form the other 'big 4/5 ' lenders, as there core products and rates are close to identical. It is only since the rate rises recently, that these lenders actually have different 'standard' rates.  Essentially all will stick you with fees of some sort, but conversely may suit your lending strategy. While some banks will have an edge from time to time (for example NAB fixed rates, which up until recenlty were way below others, and are still the cheapest or 'equal' cheapest' ) or St.George with their LMI Included' high LVR loans, they have the same products, and offer packages of some sort. There is quite simply no best loan – I will repeat that again – there is quite simply no best loan.
    So, ask yourself some of the folowing to decide which way to go.
    * Do you envisage a problem securing finance form a bank or 'traditional lender' ?
    * Is a cheap rate moreinmportant to you than flexibility and banking?
    *Are you self employed?
    * Are you planning on selling the property quickly or are you long term?
    *Will the loan be interest only?
    * Do you already have a relationship with any bank or lender?
    * Do you need to ring up someone every second day to discuss things, and have you hand held or are you a set and forget person?
    * Are you self employed?
    * Have you any prioer credti history issues/defaults?
    * Do you want to stay 'local'?
    * Do you hate banks or just some of them?
    * Is there anyone who you could talk with locally that is either A) A banker/lending manager or B) A well regarded broker?
    * Do you plan to pay more than the mininum repayments (makes a huge difference)?
    * COld you benefit from a suite of products like credit cards, atm access, lines of credit, and fee free banking in exchange for an annual fee, or to you just 'want a loan'.?
    Are you borrowing more than $250k?

    Answer as much of this as you can, and you shoudl be on the way to working out one of the better loans (not the best loan) for YOU!   All the best    

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    Not sure Richard – I was feeling maybe I missed out on some important revelation, but it sounds more like a conspiracy theory – or drugs!

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    They surely will – but their are two things to watch for that will make it interesting (for want of a better word)
    1) Will they use it as an excuse to 'even' their rates again? It is a first for me to have seen the major banks with different rates!
    2) While they will likely all be up Friday if not before, keep an eye on the fixed rates. There was almost two weeks last time between the first lender (which bank?) and the last one to raise these last time.

    Interesting email from Steve McKnight as the forum host, with his personal view that they will kep gong up to. Hope he's wrong – but sadly I think not.  Hold on!

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    Maybe – I have noticed with a couple of the banks now you have to do a fair few clicks of the button just to find the interest rates. While ANZ do not mention it, the likes of CBA, NAB, StGorge all allude to it or name their take on the products on their rates page.
    A word of warning – with refinancing at the moment most lenders are playing 'we'll make it hard to leave and have the last laugh' so no matter what the lender (or broker if you use one) tells you, get in early, get the current up to date discharge form (or letter of instruction) form the lender (in this case GE) and either hand it to someone at the branch, and record details of name/date etc, and fax it if you can, and follow ti up in 10 days, and give a copy to the new lender of your choice. You may find it minimises a bit of strees for you.
    All the best.

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    You just gotta wonder……

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    You just gotta wonder……

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    Not the type od posts I'm used to here……but while we are at it….if I can address Ed Chan – Ed, I really enjoyed reading your profile in API not that long ago. Just thought you might like to know. (and yes, a very tactful, dare I say professional first forum post under the circumstances :-)   )
    Cheers
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