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    Must admit that unless someone is after a fixed loan, or offset facility, for a PPOR especially, or a sub 250k IP, why would you go past one of the so-called basic variable homeloans. Some of these loans are .7 (.8 for 'introductry ones if you are looking short term, though I'm not a fan of intro loans) and a couple of the banks even have no monthly fees either! Same discount, no annual or monthly fees, and you get redraw if required. And when rates go down…….. IF all you want is a homeloan without transerrifng cards, banking, and the other things mentioned, I reckon a base variable loan now is a no brainer…..   

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    Hi Brendan. I'm a bit out of touch now with some of the various lenders, but CBA and NAB also come to mind as being ok with acreage. That said, most lenders will watn at least a 10% deposit, if not 20%

    They are much harder to sell these rural properties, thus why lenders require higher deposits if they ofer finance at all. (some won't look at anything over 20025 acres)
    Cheers

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    SPoke to a guy once that had spent around $30k on seminars, and did not own one property…….sorry, not saying that is you, but $5k for a seminar made me think that. Just my 10c worth, but you could buy a low end property somewhere for $5k depoist, plus a bit of LMI and closing costs. Probably last longer than any seminar, but who am I to say – this guy may be real good. Have'nt really answered your question have I? All the best.

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    Hi goodenergy. Please remember that while being creative can pay off, unless you get a no doc loan, which are few anf fare betwen now competitively, you will need a lo doc one, which means in most cases you have to declare an income to 'service' the loan (although rental income counts of course) and that you are self employed. Some people call them 'lie docs' for that reason I guess. Be careful you do not leave yourself with a loan that can't be paid due to unforseen circumstances.
    As a sidepoint, you may have some difficulties with some areas (postcode restrictions) as on this type of loan lenders mortgage insurance applies, and this can restrict the area you purchase somewhat. Probably no need to rush into anything at present – there does not appear to be too many areas booming price wise. But definately being ready to act when you find something is a good idea. Congratulations on where you are at property wise too – some great equity there, and a very low debt level. :-)
    All the best.

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    Hi Macnatt. Yep, give them notice now. If not, you may find you have to go 'month by month' as far as the 'unspoken lease' (for want of a better expression goes') and then you will still need to give notice even then. Get you agnet to advise them in writing they need to vacate at end of lease as it will not be renewed. All the best with overseas. Cheers

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    Allianz have a very comprehensive policy, although there are cheaper. Our of 10 if 10 was the most expensive, Allianz would be a 3 – Terri Scheer would be a 9 or 10. They do have some extras, but in all fairness, you wonder how much of it you need. I may consider Allianz next time myself, but I will compare the features with my current stuff (use NRMA and AAMI at present)

    Make sure you have building, contents included (ie blinds, carpet etc) and landlord policy all together.

    Cheers.

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    The word 'terrifying' comes to find. In all fairness, if everything is disclosed up front, you can make an informed decision, but as Simon said (actaully, 'simon says' sounds better :-)  ) be very careful.  All the best.

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    Hi there pagey – welcome to the forum. Just wonder…why are you thinking of selling? Do you mean you will walk away with $150k? You could keep your current property and access 80 or even 90 % of this equity easily if you can 'service' another loan. Once you sell, it is no longer equity – just 'cash'. Don't rush into anything. You will be able to make another/the next step regardless of whether you sell or not I'm sure. See if you can find a property savvy banker of broker in your area (yes, they are few and far between nowadays) for a chat. All the best. If youneed any more specifics or a 'scenario' just post – someone will help out woth some various options . all the best.

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    Are they tax advisors? Probably not. Sounds like yet another 'morgage reducion' type scheme that gets 'sold' for several thousand dollars, when any switched on lender (or switched on business person or relative or mentor) should help you with for zip…..Keep us posted but please be cautious.

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    If you keep an eye on fixed rates, with both banks and non banks (much more $$ now) that gives you a reasonable idea of how the 'experts' feel rates are going to go.  It's hard to imagine them going more than another 50 basis points before the market stalls and the repair work begins. In my humbel opinion, they should be left alone for the rest of the year, but hey….?

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    I'm sure more posts will follow. This is possibly a unique market at present, as far as property prices, sharemarket, and interest rates go, and then strong inflation and a strong aussie $.  While the media has been negative, and 'bank bashing' (as you do ;-) ) people tend to have overlooked that several non bank lenders(Rams being the first and most prominent), non confirming lenders, and wholesale funds providers have simply gone bum up or had o withdraw from the market. This alone points to both a quieter market, and the rapid increas in the cost of funds, along with peoples attitude to risk.In general, it appears most people (inc myself) are keen to stay with the majors at present, and there are still people investing in property – usually cashed up or using equity. That said, I think anyone in RE or finance you talk to unless they are in a so-called boom area) would be lying if they said things had not got quieter.
    The next few months will be very interesting to say the least. Make or break for many I'm sure.  :-)  My 7c worth.

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    hi Hybrid.  Sorry to hear. Valuations may be getting done a bit on the conservative side it may seem, and yes there will be differences between some lenders/valuers, although usually not that major.
    What you may not be aware of, is that some similar properties nearby may have sold cheaply, or been 'firesaled'. It always amuses me when people say, 'I just got this great $500k property for $400k!. ' Unfortunately, unless you sell for $500k or hold for long term, it is only worth $400k, because that is all you paid for it, and that is how most valuers justify their figures – base purely on comparable sales.
    THat said, a second opinion , whether via another lender, or an independant val (ie paid valuation, not apprasiel from an agent)surely will not hurt. All the best.

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    Hi Elka,
    I/O loans work slightly differently (in general) from a P&I loan, in that the interest is automatically deducted from your nominated account once each month, it is not a payment 'you make' as such, or a direct debit as such. So all that is charged essentially is interest. In most cases you can indeed make a lump repayment off the loan (via internet banking for example) and then  you are charged interest on the new balance. An offset account works slightly differently with an I/O loan too – instead of paying the same reapyment but more of it going towards your principle, you are charged less interest instead, thus lower payments . Please note that is the general situation, it may not be available with fixed loans, (and there would be no redraw either) , but on most variable loans you would have redraw . An offset a/c may be a better idea though if you have surplus funds and no non deducable debt. also, some banks/lenders may advise you you cannot to this, but it is likely to be out of ignorance or lack of product knowledge  rather than you actually not being able to do so.
    Hope that helps. :-)

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    Yup, you can use the funds in a term deposit sometimes as security no drama, although I must confess I am not sure how many do it for a fixed IR loan. more importantly, you should get some insurance NOW if that is you on the bike……..

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    Boy it's getting interesting is'nt it? I don't think anyone would have guessed this type of flow on/results a year or two ago. i wonder how long it will be before all the lo-doc rates reflect this as well, as some lenders are offering quite good rates still on the lo-doc loans, whereas no doc was/is a smaller market obviously. I wonder………….

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    Ahh – nothing like a 'cleansing 240v' to get the blood circulating!   unless you are of very poor health, cop a beauty (more than 240v ;or some serious current, rather than voltage) or a complete klutz don't worry – I'm sure your boy will be fine. Give him some encouragement, and look forward to discounted electrical work at home or on theos IP's.  :-)

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    bardon wrote:
    At Melton West, a mortgagee sale of a six-bedroom house passed in at $200,000 — $255,000 had been offered in November. 

    Actually that one sounds like a good buy – any more info?   

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    Hi annie Q – and welcome to the forum. it's funny that reading a contract like that is certainly enough to put anyone off that's for sure. Some contracts are worse than that – ie 'we can cancel it anytime we feel like' – and 'we reserve the right to review annually and cancel the facility ….' come to mind.
    That said lets go one step at a time.
    Firstly, if a loan product is considered an investment product (in other words, more than 50%of the funds are not for personal use) it is not covered under the UCCC. A line of credit, or an interest only loan is viewed by some lenders as being in the catagory regardless – however any loan to buy an investment property is not covered under the UCCC – so don't be too alarmed there.
    As far as the contract goes, I remeber many years ago a bank manager telling me ' you shoudl get legal advice on this contract'. my reply…'so if I find somthing I don't like, I can change it then ?' His response. "you are more than wlecome to do what you want, but oif you don't like it or want to change it , essentailly it means we don't lend you the money.' Sad but true.

    That is not a bad package at all, (there are plenty worse!) so as long as you are getting a few different loans, and use it to the full, I'm sure you will find it works for keeping your investment borrowing costs down. All the best.

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    True – you can learn a lot more from talking to like minded people, the odd cluey broker, real estate agent, or odd bod that has an interest and some experience in property investment, and just 'feeding' on a variety of opinions.
    I have only ever been to one 'seminar' – and it was a 'special price' one – and I can tell you you only got generalities there, and the amount of people that streamed up to the back of the auditorium to buy 'seminar specials' and 'bootcamp weekend limited courses' and 'mentoring opportunities in a group'  and all the other stuff was truly incredible. All for learning, but we are talkign thousands and thousands of bucks here – deposits for some properties!  
    The theory of all these similar course IS terrific – but as others have mentioned are truly 'outdated' in the real world.
    The idea of reading, learning, and 'getting out and about' as you have time is a great way to go. 
    Check out Margaret Lomas, Chris Gray, Craig Turnbull, Michael Yardney, Rachel Barnes, just to name a few. Different ideas and techniques, but people who have blazed a trail before you are all great to learn form – cheaply via ther books/experiences etc.

    all the best – PLEASE let us know when you get your next / first IP -I'm sure it will be soon !  

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    duckster wrote:
    If you buy an investment property you do not live in it and it can be in an area where you can afford the loan repayments.
    You will have to weigh it up with losing the first home owners grant.

    Re the above, I know in NSW that you will not lose the FHOG if you buy an investment property prior, as long as you don't live in it – I imagine it would be the same elswhere but would pay to check on the govt website.
    There has been some confusion over this however.

    As far as your savings and income goes….the world is your oyster. WHy not try something a litlle conservative, get some 'runs on the board' as it were, and enjoy the journey.  Good on you for making a start too – remeber – one of the worst things you can do is nothing. Also remember, that unless you find an independant (rarity) financial advisor or someone qualified to give specific advice on property (I don't mean loan structuring or helpful advice…but specific planning) you will find most financial planners are not qualified to give specific direct peoprty advice, or can only provide it when it is of a general nature.

    And…all the best. ! 

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