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    Mmmm. I've fine with '100% finance' in the sense that people finance 100% of the purchase by using a 10% deposit via existing equity, but a straight 100% finance deal is a frightening concept at present – if you really can get one. It does call for evidnece of a strong savings plan and stable income though (as you would expect) and is likely to be owner occ only. Have not read the article, so can only generalise but trying to buy a $300k home with 100% finance in nsw still requires about $20k + in funds for LMI and S/D anyway. I think unless someone has a 5% deposit min in these cases they should….

    1) Keep renting

    2) save /work more

    3) Look at buying (and thus moving) somewere cheaper.

    4) Perhaps not want a  house like 'mum and dad have' for their first home.

    5) if you don't liek any of points 1-4 an must proceed, DO NOT even THINK of doing it without income protectio insurance of some sort.

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    While I enjoyed reading Margaret Lomas' books, and her passion for property/building wealth through it, I would never agree with this type of product.  The above comments form QLDS007 have been made for a reason (ie they are spot on as you would normally expect !) , and in all fairness, why would anyone want to go with a policy or structure that can and will stifle their flexiblity and hand what is effectively unlimited control to the lender. Did you know, that a lender is within their rights to ask for all sale proceeds of a sold property that is bundled into a cross secured loan like this in some circumstances (short explanation, in an extreme situation – but I have seen it happen). 

    In most if not all casses, you do not have to set up a loan with this type of product. Sure, it may mean having your loans with more than one lender at some stage, but it gives you the most safety and flexibility.

    The shorter answer, is don't get one!

    Cheers

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    One of the positives about this forum is the  huge cross section of both experience, investor types and strategies, and ability to both read and ask.
    Enjoy!

    PS I never could quite grasp this alphabet business.

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    thanks for the comments so far guys/girls/others (the latter would be 'scamp' eh?)
    Pretty much what I have been thinking.
    I am meeting with another property manager tomorrow, and also have someone who out of the blue approached me to see if they could move in – and avoid the agent altogether. We'll see with that one.
    Sally ann I think your comment re pictures is almost something all of us should possibly  request now.  We have just got an IP settling in Vic and the manager we chose has advised they always take pictures to supply with the inspections, as they feel 'many agents get lazy and just tick boxes'.

    I looked at some of the photos I took of the one property again after posting this, and must admit I nearly had another stroke.

    THanks for the opinions again – and feel free to add, or hijack the post with any relevant discussions. Cheers :-) 

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    Basically, although you said they were 'unhappy' is this the reason they have asked you to leave, because of your puppy, ot have they just said they want to move into the house and want you to leave? Not sure aobut the dog, but if it is the latter, I believe they cannot just break the lease agreement. SOmeone in property managment on the forum may be ble to help you further with this info. Cheers

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    You are in there until April 2009 – unless you breach the temrs of your lease agreement.

    This is why it can be hard to sell a house with a tennant in it, that has a signed lease, as obviously only another investor is likely to be interested, as the lease has to run it's term. 

    I'm sure if you post more specific details someone will be able to assist.

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    I'm going to humbly offer some words of wisdom – NEVER EVER cross secure properties for any reason UNLESS you only even plan to buy two, and are never going to sell either of them!

    With what can be quite severe decreases in property values, you will not be allowed to use the sale proceeds of a property that was cross secured as you would like – and while there are plenty of bankers/brokers/lenders/whatevers with more hands on experience than I have (or will ever have if I get out of the industry – sooner rather than later I hope!) when a property that is cross secured with another is sold (much worse if there are 3 or 4 done this way) it is an absolute nightmare for all concerned. Tears all round.  Really. Regardless of the bank, a good lender would never normally suggest crossing your properties (bank managers do not have a lot of hands on lending experinece often remember – either dare I say the vast majority struggling to pay off their own pmortage, and no investment experience whatsover) together if you share your investment ideas with them, and a capable broker should not do so either – excepting of course the above scenario.  Of course, this is purely my opinion, but maybe you shoudl either look elsewhere, or mention that you are and that 'the ANZ will do it' or "I've spoken to th CBA' whatever, and I'm sure they will come around. All the best.

    Cheers 
     

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    Remember to allow   for capital gains tax….

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    The last evap system I used was a new bonaire – and it was ok as far as noise goes, and could be almost silent. Bear in mind there is a difference between the 'drum ' type, and the 'blade' type. I think the drum is better, quiter, and more effective. Obv if running flat chat they will all be noisy. Cheers

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    kenzel wrote:

    Just an update – Just spoke to my Banker and apparently to restructure an existing loan from PPOR to IP you will liable to another round Stamp Duty!

    Hi Kenzel.

    I must admit it never fails to amaze me how many banks (and brokers sadly) have absolutely no idea. True, everybody has to learn, but to give you advice like that – run a mile.

    If you are not transfering the actual property title (ie ownership) you only pay SD once. Breath easy.

    As for borrowing 100%, this of course does not have to be done by using a 100% loan (if you can find one) and paying lenders mortgage insurance………you can effectively 'borrow' 100 % by utilising existing equity you have to 'fund' the 20 % deposit (or if you don't have enough, 10% is usually not too painful as far as LMI is concerned) And you can do this without 'cross securitising' your properties – whether with the same lender, or another. Most 'access' this equity by getting a 'Line of credit' style loan, or an interest only loan and using it as the deposit. This can be done via your owner occupied home, or an existing IP – although I find many have a 'mental block' about borrowing against their own home – even if it is tax deducatable and helping them to build wealth!

    Cheers

    all the best with your journey.

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    Congratulations – you are in a much better position financially than many.
    With your projected disposable income, within 10 months you can acheive one of the below things.
    1) Pay your car loan off completely
    2) Have a 10% deposit for a $140k IP. A bit of skimping here and ther will no doubt allow you both to have 'closing costs' too.
    10 months……it will fly….start planning (and saving) now!

    All the best

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    Might be better off posting your wares on a UK forum perhaps……

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    I may as well contribute a bit of a summary of the above with a few thoughts…
    1) Usually people that 'wait' for the market to be 'best', never actually get into it.
    2) Re prices – I thik a lot of people are fussy, and I can see a gradual exodus to areas where house are more affortable. It makes sens if you want to own your own home and maintain a reasonable lifestyle.
    3) For investment, regardless of where the so called property cycle is, there is always value buying around – sub $150k, or otherwise – all depends what you can afford – and how much neg gearing you can service. It is a type of 'forced saving' after all.

    Investing in property IS a good time now , as is getting outside your traditional 'comfort zone' a bit – however speculating on sudden jumps in value, rennovation projects, gambling, buying off the plan, overpriced surfers paradise units, and not doing a bit of good old fashioned due dilligence……..is what shouldbe avided now!

    all the best on your (our?) journery…..

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    Hi Melbally,

    As I would suspect, Jon's comments are usually pretty good – and I agree. It's all relative.

    Areas where housing is more expensive, and vendors have some unrealistic price expectations, have much more 'margin' built into the price for negotiation – than areas where perhaps already the price is at or below median for the area.

    You cannot get the bargain of the century every time, but you can get good value easily – and that sounds like what you have.

    Vic, and tas particularly regional areas are usually priced in a way that they can 'sell' fairly quickly, and do not anticipate having offers 10 or 20 % less than asking price. Real estate agents too are usually trying to get vendors pricing ideas so they 'meet the market' a bit more than previously.

    We have just purchased our first property for a while, and the price was only negotiable $2k less than the 'must sell it now price' the vendor had instructed the agent to get. Yet I have had valuer I knwo do a 'drive by' without telling him what we paid, and it would appear we got it around 15% less than what he reckoned it would 'be worth'. Rather that, than have paid an over inflated price and done 'hard negotiating' to get another 5 or 10 grand off.

    If you want the house, and it is good value (which in all fairness there is not a lot of choice in Melton worth a cracker under the $200k now is there) and have done your sums……..why not buy your home and enjoy.

    All the best, whatever you decide.

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    Wizard do not have any loans with an offset account – and nothing spectacular that any of the banks do not. Why would you be worried about exit fees? Are you planning to sell or jump financiers again short term?

    GE are a mighty big slush fund, but if sold (I heard rumour Mark Bouris wanted to buy them back!) unless purchased by one of the major players/banks, you do risk unpredictable rate rises in the future, as Wizard will even moreso than now, have the same problem securing funding as other 'securitised' lenders or 'wholesale brokers'.

    AFIG are the entitiy that manage the Wizard loans, who also provide a lot of other funding to 'no name' lenders/loans.

    As a sidepoint, one of the better points about Wizard was that they tried to remain seperate form GE, who are a bunch of shysters, but esentially GE offer exactly the same loan products now as Wizard – only more competitive.

    Until you have seen the likes of ANZ, NAB, or St.George i wouldnt bother myself. If you don;t want the hassle, see if you can find a reputable (rapidly diminishing species) broker to point you in the right direction.

    All the best.

    Cheers

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    I believe the law says that it is false and misleading if the sale price wanted  is more than 10% above the +.
    Rogues eh?

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    A lot of this depends on the lender, and your cashflow and attitude to risk. Not many are fixing that I have seen in the last couple of months, whereas prior to that seemd the majority were. IF I was to fix, it would probably be for 2 years. In most cases, a 'basic' type loan variable with no fees would be the bet IMHO. On a larger $ loan maybe the fixed or a split, but 2 years max.
    Purely an opinion of course. 
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    Must agree the site content has seriously deteriorated – of course that could be because I have not been posting as much perhaps. No? Ok then. Seriously though, I do agree that 'adds' like this make me want to gag. Trawlling forums trying to solicit or promote your business in itself raises a whole lot of questions ……..
    Still, plenty of good posts and differing opinions strategys still – hopefully most 'winnow the chaff' and get something out of it still from the cross section of experience, enthusiasm, and 'property passion'.

    Better have a look at the other posts now eh?

    Cheers!  V8

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    Hi.
    Generally market has slowed – from a valuation perspective this is true. I say generally – specialised property or innner city etc obviously diferent.
    The valuations I see do vary, but an example would be house @ $390k in 2005, now $340k. 
    A lot of people looking at 'refinancing' have this problem – houses worth a lot less than they think – and this is all based remember on 'comparitive sales' data.  Saw a house today 'valued' (appraised') by an agent @$730-750k go to sale with a contract of $645k.
    Of course, if you don't sell you have'nt lost anything! Jon's statemtne rings true. Even in the lower end of the market, you often see a house listed with an agent for XX price, it goes nowhere, and then reappears with another agent at a lower (more 'marker meeting' type price) and it is gone.

    Agents may be being a bit more realistic in my humbel opinion, but not always what the vendors want to hear.

    Cheers  :-)

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    The age old debate – both can offer good returns, anf plenty have made a ton of money from both…….but regardless you simply cannot get the same amount of 'magic' out of shares as you can on property. The magic? LEVERAGE. Good property in a good location using the maximum amount of leverage has to be a no brainer over shares.
    IMHO of course. ;-)

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