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Equity (other than winning the lotto, a sharemarket lucky windfall, a generous gift, or being 'left' something in a will) is about the only way you will ever have funds for deposits, and property purchasing, developing, or improvemants – so yes, that is the way to 'get ahead'. But as already mentioned, that is only 2/3's of the battle – you still need to be able to 'service' ( repay without hardship) the debt, as well as the interest on the equity if you borrow more. Do you mean you cant afford the repayments on your home loan? Or on another investment loan? You have to live somewhere! Naturally, on a new investment loan the rental payments cover (or ideally should) the significant portion of the interest on the loan – and that is the type of property you would need to buy if you don't have much in the way of income to service the loan. Cheers
A great point of discussion banker – one that I have had some …er 'discussions' over (sounds better than heated disputes) in the past with bank credit areas. One major in particular is adamant in their business lending area that the all monies clause is the reason that all 'business lending' customers have to have residential loans crossed. The retail area of the same bank it just depends on who you get – but if you ask for it to be 'stand alone' it is no drama – and appears on the loan docs as such. The reasoning the credit area and many 'bankers' in the business banking side say the contract must stipulate all securities are crossed and list al together on the loan contracts is because of both the all monies clause, and because they are crossed on this basis whether the cusotmer likes/what or knows it or not. I went down fighting, and proved in my opinion that the part of the credit 'policy' they quoted to support this argument was ambigious, and could be interpreted either way. I lost track of how many non crossed loans I did when I worked in a different area of the bank earlier on. Yet they take the 'all monies clause' so seriously that business bankers found to not cross properties (one that I heard of was a refi from ANZ – three properties – three loans – all seperate that were 'refinanced the same way to the bank as requested by client and the business banker agreed to do as the best way too for the client) are being put on 'behavioural warnings & monitoring' – with the 'ALL MONIES CLAUSE' being the reason given, (Nothing to do with wanting as much security as possible, and wanting to nab (whoops) the customer to the bank for life of course!!!!!!!)
So after all that, my understanding is technically by the letter of the law, if a bank loses money foreclosing, and cannot claim from an LMI policy, the all monies clause means they can recover that from any other savings account, term deposit, or loan redraw funds the customer has – and if not, could sell another property even if it is not 'cross collatorised'.
Not a common scenario, but does that sound about right? Please excuse the spelling tonight – glasses in the other room! Cheers
Even if you cant charm them, they do have up to $200 discretion on the base variable rate home loan (a lot of their managers would be oblivious 'cos they don't read much and are too busy reporting daily on their insurance sales, how many conversations their bankers had, and how many proactive phone calls they made. It is $600, less $100 if you have a nab card, and another $100 if you have your salary direct credited into a nab account. Good no frills loan, but their choice pack loans are still the way to go if you have more than $250k combined borrowings and need accounts/cards etc. All the best.
Only a Scalectrix one – to go with all the tracks we have in the cupboard.
A real Electric car? Over my dead body. Now, where is that can of petrol – overdue for a sniff……
I agree banker with the gist of what you are saying – however imagine the scenario (and this one was not CBA) where credit say they are happy, and then come back to you 3 weeks later and say they need more info when the client is wondering why he has'nt got his docs yet a week before settlement! ! I've seen some terrible treatment of customers from the majors, (two of them first hand) and worked with staff from most of them, and am confident that more often than not it is not the banker/broker/customers fault – but the 'back office' systems used and the sheer understaffing, offshoring, and lack of real decision makers in the branches. It seems too that credit/verifications/ and other back areas of the banks dont even play by their own rules that are in their current lending policies either! I also agree though, that dealing with someone that has a lending or credit authority of somesort, defiantely speeds things up and minimises issues – such as a business banker. Last year, I was able to help the manager I worked with assist a broker with a clients deal that the CBA had taken 7 weeks to decide they still were'nt ready to settle. The bank would not talk to the broker, or the customer (who was an exisitng one too) and we grabbed the deal (which was quite a strong one) & did it from assessment, to documentation, to settlement within five days. Pretty full on though!. HOpefully things are getting better now all round though. I believe you can get a worstpick (wetpac) loan approved pretty quick now, as they dont have many on the books…..
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Cartman123 wrote:duckster wrote:Hello all, (New to the game)
Is this 100% confirmed ? The loan contract you sign says what property secures what loan. So how can they go against that, (in a default situation) , even if they are with the same bank…. ?Confusing…
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CartmanHi Cartman – and welcome to the forum. Now……They can (in extreme situations) and its called 'The All-Monies Clause'. Cheers
Hi op9. Big believer in relationships – whehter it be with your bank, broker , or credit union. If you have one of the aforementioned you bank with or are comfortable with I would suggest seeing them first. If no joy, then it's open slather. All the best. Cheers
….THe poor CBA staff (including the amusingly called 'mortgage innovators – ) are often told by everybody from credit thought to settlements 'dont call us about this customer / settlement / insert word here unless we have not got back to you no later than 2 weeks…' Poor cows. How can you offer cusotmer service with that sort of attitude. Makes you fee sorry for the frontline staff.
I can see the reserve bank simulating their monumental 2007 stuff up all over again – regardless of the actual rate. Sad but true……Leave rates alone and hike up the income tax I reckon…..
Terryw wrote:. I am getting out of the industry.What will you be doing out of interest Terry? After a brak I assume? All the best regardless. Cheers
Hey Jaffa. Your old NAB business banker may still look after you……discreetely. Unfortunately all NAB busineess banking homeloans are off shored now for input, so no 'on the spot' results……., but you should get an answer in a couple of days still – and they do have the best rates of the majors. That said, if you apply through the retail side, and are nice ' n friendly, I'm sure you'll get a $300 app fee on a basic variable homeloan, or if you have exisitng lending, swap to the choice package and you will have ;'no application fee' on your new one other then the $395 annual fee. All the best with the deal. Cheers.
….and if you can avoid using the 'cash advance' side, and get those flyer points…………True though – if you have cashflow, doing a 'churn' to a low interest or interest free balance transfer is the way to go after. Just dont use the card afterwards for anything else until it is paid off. Cheers
Hi Mr. Property.
Just been helping family freshen up an apartment in Stkilda and Elwood – and if they had bougth 1, 2, or 3 years ago they would have been laughing all the way to the bank……….and I think they still are. Only just bought, but a very tight, hot market. Not much under 500-550k at all there – and what is is rugged. Not sure where you get the small cap growth idea from.Hope that helps. CheersHi Lucky4s
Must admit to being touched by your situation – has close to happened to me twice in life. Something it has made me realise, is how hard it is for both younger people, and also the 'career changers' to get a decent job when out of work. Once, I actually tossed in a job to look for work, because I felt it was unethical to be looking for somethin else while being employed – and that being ready to start 'immedaitely' would be attractive to 'prospective employers'. Unfortuanatley, you can be applying for jobs, waiting for 'job & emplyment agency plebes' with minimal experience to 'reply' to you application in less than 2 mths, , while thge world is passing you by. So…….. if you can avoid selling……do so. All I can suggest generally, is to at this point, when you are out of funds, take whatever work you can get. Whether it be casual, part time, delivering pizzas, or even working for a butt-trumpet employer – do whatever it takes to get some money in the account, while you STILL look for better work. It may involve suggesting to the twit that expects you to work for peanuts that it is your 'dream job' but if that's what is takes…….. Keep positive. You'll be fine.All the best.
Hi Selina – and welcome to the forum. I think it is not that they are sexist, but ignorant …. Seriously, there are many girls/women right into property investing and construction in a big way nowadays, and it would be an idiot to overlook that. I think you will find that it is natural people tend to focus there attention on the older person sometimes however. Maybe next time you are in earshot of the re agent, with your dad try saying ' would you like me to buy this one for you dad?
IT's ironic that the average RE agent would have about 1/4 the properties you do too isnt it!
And I've just replied and notice you addressed your post to ladies – of which I am not – sorry!Cheers
6.63% is like paying 'retail' though (or a westpac discounted rate – snicker) Essentially, most deals around this LVR will require genuine savings, and a reasonable asset position for your age. ie IF you have no savings, your assets consist of a 1983 Holden Commodore, and you have a $15k personal loan forget about it. and as far as the 'major's' go without having exisitng lending/relationship with them you could count up the likley hood of getting a 95% loan on one finger!
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Yeah, Dads on the money there. All the best – you sound like you know what you're doing!
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Hi guys,
Just felt obliged to say Matt007's comments were brilliant reading – and what this forum is/should be about. Love being positive, but you have just got to be practical and realistic too. Great stuff.Cheers
Hi Meiki,
TO be your PPOR you have to live there – which is a bit hard on a vacant block. Great income you are on – so as Wealth says I reckon allocate a couple of hundred bucks of it towards seeing a savvy accountant or qualified tax advisor.
All the best.