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Well they reckon they do, but they sell property as well.
I recently attended a custodian seminar (Fitzgerald was not the speaker). I was pretty happy with the seminar, but not the sit-down with the speaker afterwards….he spend the entire time telling me that I don't have enough money to live and my marriage must be suffering (neither is true)…..
They are REAs, you say you're interested and they find a block of land in their chosen city (atm it's Brissie). They line you up with everything; builder, mortgage broker, everything. By the time the house is build you've got a tenant…..I can't see any down side?
Richard, we've only been told his since the gfc (before that we were pre-approved to buy, but chose not to). It is good to know other lenders may still be interested in loaning us money as we're hoping to buy again next year.
I've got similar problems. I can't see a solution in sight, even as the rent received increases as the bank sayes too much of our income is reliant on rent (which is not reliable). To buy our last house (which was going to cost a whole $100/mnth after rent rec'd) I had to play hardball and threaten to move all of our mortgages. Some of the things that did work in our favour was the fact we've never missed a repayment and are 3mnths ahead on all loans. Something that works against us is having so many kids (we've got 5 little ones, banks don't like it!)
The problem with Moranbah is the rent can drop dramatically and suddenly. The house I am currently living in was rented for $1200/week last, now my hubby's employer pays $600/week because we moved in during the gfc.
Its important to understand why the rent is so high-it's not because (as the opening statement said) families can pay $1000/week, but because mining companies will pay the rent. A few years ago the rent payed by BMA (major employer) was capped at about $700/wk. This basically meant rents in the area were capped at about $700/wk. Once BMA removed the cap the rents sky-rocketed. Currently BMA is trying to open a new mine in the area with 100% of the workforce being fly-in/fly-out. If this goes ahead, BMA may stop offering employees accomodation and rents will fall.
I can't help but notice there are a lot of people who believe only a fool would attend a property seminar, and these same people seem to know a lot about what is talked about in a seminar. I have never been to one, so I don't know if they are all useless. How can you tell if you've never been either? I guess you're a lot smarter than me.
If your offer is rejected, make sure you call in a few weeks and see how they feel about it. Like Dwolfe said, if the property has been listed a while they'll start getting desperate. A desperate seller is just the type you're after.
When you buy a property you have 2 options (cannot remember their names), the more common one is (I think joint owners) is a 50/50 split. There is also (I htink owners in common) one which allows you to allocate a % to each owner. Nothing changes at the bank (they still treat it exactly the same), but for tax reasons, the loss/profit is split according to the %rate nominated. Your solicitor can handle that when you buy a place.
As for changing the house you already have, I would look into doing it before it's a rental.
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Not up here Beau, but every region is different. I know I wouldn't rent a house in Darwin without a pool. I wouldn't rent a house in a mining town without a shed. I wouldn't rent a house in nth qld without ac.
here are some figures to think about
(I have assumed the following: interest rates @ 7%, you continue to add $45k pa to your mortgage, you bought 12mnths ago, initial mortgage $260k, 25yr mortgage, min payment 1838/mnth)Scenario 1-pay of your home ASAP and save your money
You pay it off in 4.5yrs (from12mnths ago). You save $247k compared to min repayments.Scenario 2-pay off your home ASAP and buy IP, paying it off ASAP, and continue
Assuming property values double every 7yrs, rents do the same and are worth about 0.1% of the property value, allowing 40% of the rent for various expenses, depositing 20% on each IP (to avoid LMI) and saving this up. You continue to pay $5588/mnth plus the surplus from the rent. After 21yrs (from today) you will own your own home, plus 2 investment properties. Each property worth approx $3.44MScenario 3-refinance your PPOR to buy 2 IPs immediately. Every 7 years buy 2 more IPs, using IO finance on all except your PPOR after 21yrs you would have 6IPs. Assuming your 1st 2 IPs were worth the same as your 1st property, and all double every 7yrs, all worth approx the same value. Each property would be worth $3.44M after 21yrs. You could own your IPOR, owe $6.3M on your 6IPs. As you can see, you could sell just 2 of your IPs to owe nothing and still have 4 IPs to retire on.
Personally, I hate renting. I hate not being able to treat the house as your own, and worrying about inpsections etc. However, currently we are renting and have an IP just a few streets away.
We were living in 'our' house (5kids, 3bdrms), but my hubby got a new job which came with the option of the company paying the majority of the rental for us. So we have moved into a bigger rental. The other upside is now all of our debt is investment debt
For scenario 1: From the rent rec'd for the entire year, subtract all of your expenses including; interest, insurances, rates, water, REA fees, maintenance. What ever is left over you pay tax on. This is called positive gearing. If the expenses are greater than the rent you claim this loss at tax time. Your taxable income for the year is reduced by this amount. Called negative gearing.
I am not sure exactly how scenario 2 would work. I think you would try to work out what percentage of the house is being rented, and that same portion of the expenses (interest, rates, repairs etc) would be taken away from the rent.
HTH
Not sure about stamp duty in Vic, but in Qld if you live in the property first you get a discounted rate. Plus, when you can rent your unit out for upto 6yrs then sell it without paying CGT. The way to go is to buy a place, live in it, then rent it out.
Okay, have made a spreadsheet comparing the different rates of land tax in each state. Turns out Qld is a great state to invest in, as is NT (no land tax at all over there). WA is very cheap, while Tas and ACT are very expensive. Thanks again Sonya for alerting me to this
Excuse my ignorance Sonya, but where is Gunnedah?
Thanks for your thoughts. Duckster, I have had a bit of a look at the DHA website and realised the properties were quite expensive. Not sure if we'd have to sell one of our properties for the bank to agree to another loan. We were recently knocked back on a house ($450k) because the bank said we were too reliant on the rent rec'd inorder to make repayments
Sonya, thanks heaps for that heads-up. I hadn't even considered land tax. I just found the info and it sayes we'll have to pay if the un-improved value is greater than $600k. I guess I'll have to dig up those evaluations we get sent from time to time (I had no idea why thy were sending them). I will also be looking for the thresholds in all the other states to try and minimise this.
I guess on that note, I should also be comparing the stampduty rates in the different states.
As far as not visiting properties, this is something I am not keen to do. We had an awesome REA in Townsville and great long-term tenants. But the property manager eventually changed, and the standard of service I received dropped dramatically. I didn't realise how much they weren't doing until I visited the property for myself. This is one reason DHA houses appeal to me.
Thanks Duckster, I see I left a lot of crucial info out of the question.
Yes, there is an overlap. We moved from the first house in Jan04 and rented till Jun05. This is when we bought the land (5 acres). We then sold the land in Apr 06, didn't pay CGT because PPOR. In Feb 06 we bought the 2nd house and have lived in it since.
We will be renting the 2nd house out, but it will not be for more than 6yrs, so is there is a need to get an evaluation done? We have recently had an REA give us an estimate, would this be good enough?
And just to clarify, if we do buy a 3rd house and live in it, the 2nd house will then be subject to the CGT? It is only exempt while we are renting?
So, for a negatively geared, long term investment it would be a good thing? Just not a short term, money-maker?