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    Hi Smartcube,

    When you say capital growth – are you talking about organic CG or are you wanting to potentially do something with the property? I am quite familiar with Seven Hills – it was decent sized blocks with good potential for duplex style development. Rental demand is strong however you want to look at finding something close to the station. House are generally in the high $300k but you will do well finding something for $350k.

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    Hi Kesiera,

    We would need a bit more information but here is a response with a series of assumptions.

    If the property you are purchasing is in NSW and the value of the property is $350k then you would need to come up with at least $365k in funds (if your LVR is 80% or under) or aprox $370k (if your LVR is 90%). 

    If you have $100 in equity against another property (say $100k) then you can use this against another IP purchase. However, you need to structure the loans correctly and not contaminate the borrowings.

    Now back to your question – if you have $100k in equity which you can draw from then that would leave $265k in funds that you will need to come up with.  This is good because you will also avoid LMI. This would also mean that you would need to borrow approx $265k with the lender.

    The other important question is if you are wanting to use this PPOR as an IP in the future. If so then you again need to strucutre the loan correctly. Jump onto an IO loan and set up an offset facility linked to your loan.

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    Actually some of the older buildings are better built than new apartments. In all cases, new or old, you need to do a building inspection. Some say it is not worth doing a building inspection on units but I say they are not using a good building inspector. Also get a 2nd floor unit and not a ground floor unit. To answer your question – yes it is worthwhile getting older apartments. From a capital growth perspective you may find some good ones which you can renovate. Be wary of the some additional things such as the strata, sinking fund and review the AGM Report. Shoot me an email and I can send you a copy of a sample building inspection report.

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    I have personally bought 2 properties in ‘lower social demographic areas’ and waited about 5-7 years and waited for it to improve dramatically (both from a capital growth perspective and a general demographic area). You do need to ensure that the tenancy agreement is water tight. On both occasions I asked that the rent be paid on a weekly basis and I inspected the property once every 2 months. Also make sure you have landlords insurance.

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    seqel wrote:
    Hi Everybody,

    Thank you for all the posts, its interestin to see what everybody is up to and how they are doing it.

    My question is in relation to building networks, How is everyone doing with this?

    I often ring carpenters etc for quotes and they dont show or give amazing high quotes (in my opinion),

    Whats the going rate for basic things like painting.

    I have a 3 bed 1 bath Highset fibro house as one of my properties and got quotes to paint the inside from $3000 to $4400.

    To me this sounds excessive.  Another time I wanted to do a small extension, This required packing the joists, reusing the existing windows etc, putting in 2 beams, mixed hardwood floors etc.  The extention was just under 10 square meters and the only chippie that turned up wanted $14500.

    Cheers

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    Is this what others are paying?

    Hi Simo,

    That is the story with most trades – be careful though as often you get what you pay for with trades (as is the story with most things). Where are you based?

    Happy to give you my contacts if you are in Sydney.

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    free_dom wrote:
    Hi Finance Shop,

    We reside in Sydney and would like to continue to invest here. Both our properties are apartments in the inner west of Sydney. We were looking at buying an IP house in western Sydney with DA plans for a duplex . I don't think we would able to muster enough money to build at the moment but could be forth while down the road. It seems that lots of people are buying in the Gladstone area which gives CG and cash flow.

    Fantastic. The house with the DA approval for a duplex sounds good. I have a lot of investors who have made a lot of money in the Pendle Hill/ Wentworthville areas building duplex. The rental demand is extremely and ridiculously strong. The capital growth has also been fantastic. So a lot of these investors are building a duplex, selling one to reduce their loan and keeping the other brand new property and claiming good depreciation and negative gearing against the property. With the DA as you have stated – you do not need to build now. You can build later but DA’s have a time period before they lapse. Having said that it is relatively easy to get a lapsed DA approved again.

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    free_dom wrote:
    We both work in stable public sector jobs with a collective gross income of about $130000 and no dependents or personal loans. We are starting to build wealth for our later years but not to retire till we are in our late 40's or 50's plus the property game is rather interesting. Our PPOR is P&I and our IP is IO. Not sure what you mean, "is the equity due to CG?"  I think its just from the area that we have bought in.

    We could afford another neg gear property but we're not sure if we should try and balance with something neutral or positive. We read all the magazines and website but there are just so many directions and strategies out there to take. Very confusing.

    In that case you should jump onto an Interest Only loan and have an offset linked to the loan. This will help you fund (together with any capital growth) for the purchases of further properties. The only problem/risk with this strategy is that the funds parked in your offset are liquid and if you cannot control your finances then you may be tempted to tap into these funds.

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    free_dom wrote:
    Hello,

    I'm 26 yrs old and my partner and I have just started to get into property investing and we are unsure as to what to do next. Our PPOR is worth around $580 with $390 owing and our IP is $560 with $390 owing. From these sums i would assume we have about $120 in useable equity. Question is do we use all of the deposit on one purchase or try and buy multiple cheaper properties?

    Hi Free_Dom

    Welcome to the Forum,

    You actually have $132k in equity/deposit to utilise. You have $74k to use against your PPOR and you have $58k to use against you IP.

    You need to really look at 2 things – the rental yield (not just cash-flow but also taking into consideration the holding costs such as strata) and also Capital Growth and this will help accelerate future IP purchases.

    My preference is to purchase a house – it has far greater potential for increase in rental yield as well as capital growth. You can extend, renovate more extensively (I’m not talking about over capitalising but rather more flexibility) and develop (or perhaps sell with a DA without carrying out the development work).

    Also it is best to present the numbers of both scenarios including incoming income, outgoings, deposit amount, etc and have someone model the scenario to show you which option is better. Which areas are you looking at?

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    You need a hydraulic engineer to prepare one. Make sure you shop around as some may charge you an arm and a leg.

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    No worries – please let me know how you go as I have a couple who have purchased a land to do something very similar (they are wanting to build villas).

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    Oh and one other thing – when people ask you what to get you for fathers day, christmas or your birthday – tell them BUNNINGS VOUCHERS! After our renos I knew almost everyone in bunnings on a first name basis!

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    ZOOTV wrote:
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    Firstly why are they going for a 3 year fixed @ 5.85 when they can go with say St George for 5.59%? Secondly what is their long term strategy? They may be better off fixing a portion if they need the interest rate security and having the remainder as IO with a linked Offset. If their plan is to purchase further properties then they can utilise the accumulated funds in the offset. Thirdly, can you take out a mortgage against the mum’s property without tying the mum’s property to this property?

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    According to my sister the fixed 5.85% was just an example that their financial adviser put to them though encouraged them to explore better opportunities. I will mention to ask their financial adviser about fixing a portion of the loan.

    I think their plan is to invest in other properties however I they have been advised to bite off more than they can chew and then chew like hell which I think is really bad advice.

    They are borrowing 110% of the loan and is why they are using the mums house as security. The thing is, they don’t have an investment plan, this is just all advice from their accountant/family financial adviser. They want to make money and think because they are investing in a property that makes them wealthy.

    It is slightly concerning that you will be giving financial advise to their financial adviser? (sorry couldn’t help myself!) They definitely need to speak to a mortgage broker about their strategy. Also just because they are borrowing 110% doesn’t mean you need to use the mum’s security. There are other options which a broker can explain to you.

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    Firstly why are they going for a 3 year fixed @ 5.85 when they can go with say St George for 5.59%? Secondly what is their long term strategy? They may be better off fixing a portion if they need the interest rate security and having the remainder as IO with a linked Offset. If their plan is to purchase further properties then they can utilise the accumulated funds in the offset. Thirdly, can you take out a mortgage against the mum’s property without tying the mum’s property to this property?

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    It really depends on the area, zoning, etc. A lot of developers in certain pockets of Sydney are purchasing older boutique apartment blocks, renovating all of them and then marketing them the same way as a new units. It is quite attractive for investors particularly those interested in OTP purchases. Higher risk but if done well there is good potential for higher return.

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    Finance will be an issue because of the security type (its a serviced apartment) particularly with your LVR. That aside serviced apartment are bad investment stay clear of them. Look outside the bcd and ascertain an apartment or better yet a house. Sounds like you need the rental yield and have a lower budget so the apartment is the way to go. Also start engaging buyers agents and real estate agents to get an idea of areas, demand, future plans for the suburbs, etc.

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    Hi Glen,

    I obviously work full time but have purchase 3 properties that needed a full reno – nothing structural more walls, floors, bathroom, kitchen lighting, gyprocking, etc.

    I took 2 months off work and renovated to hell out of 2 properties. I am talking 7 days a week and 18 hour days. I personally found that if you are a weekend renovated, the job will never get finished. I try and do most of the work myself (with the help of my wife of course) but I did find that it pays to have professionals do certain jobs (such as the electrical wiring). Before I started on the renos I contact a real estate agent and simply asked what is going to sell? He gave me a lot of pointers which helped.

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    Haven’t heard about Full Circle Financial Group but PT Bear is a regular contributor on this forum and he is based in Melbourne. I would contact him as he will be able to talk to you about all of the above. A lot of brokers will tell you that brokers can help you regardless of location which is true but if you are starting out and have a lot of questions its better to see someone face to face.

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    jenny111 wrote:
    Phew!…. Lucky I asked!

    Your point is taken – steer out of serv apartments. Being a commercial loan is also another reason I don’t want to get into.

    So, regional investment properties? Yes, they are also on my research list. Looking at the price, they seem to be cheap – very cheap in fact, to the point that I doubted myself: well, if these houses are so cheap, then everyone will be able to afford/buy – why bother renting? Which means I will definitely have difficulty renting them out. Also the rental yields aren’t as high as CBD studios. Regional properties seem too far and feels like out of my control, whereas studios are closer to where I live and this is probably the reason why I felt more comfortable with studios.

    But now having crossed off studios and serv apts, regional properties are certainly of consideration. Don’t people just buy them to own – I mean why rent when regional properties are so cheap? What sort of property management fee (percentage of rental), do agents charge for managing regional properties? Do agents tend to take advantage or short cuts in managing the property because the landlord is far away? And how do investors generally feel about owning investment properties that are far away from where they live?

    Thanks.

    Hi Jenny111,

    Don’t be disillusioned by the rental yield. Rental yields will not make you money. Capital Growth is what you should be focusing on. It is the best way to help fund future and ongoing IP purchases. That said, it is important to purchase properties which can be rented strongly. By strongly I don’t mean high rental yields but more the demand. Areas outside the CBD are the way to go but you need to do plenty of research. Talk to buyers agents and talk to real estate agents. When looking for properties try and think of how you can add value to help with capital growth. How? Properties that you can renovate, extend (up, down, left, right) and develop (or at least get DA). Finally get a few scenarios in place to help you distingiush which strategy will work for you. Always think long term and never think short term.

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    Do you have a few areas in mind and what is your price range?

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    Joel0430 wrote:
    Hi All,

    I’m in a position (finally) to start my property investing journey.

    I was wondering what’s the best way to narrow down a location to start looking? Can anyone suggest some resources or articles that might help?

    I realise that asking “where is the best place to invest?” is a dumb question, I’m just looking for information / resources that will help me narrow down my search to some places that will suit me and my goals.

    Cheers!
    Joel.

    Hi Joel

    Begin by looking locally in your area due to familiarity. Then you can start working outwards from there. Start engaging people from the industry such as local buyers agents, real estate agents, etc as they are a good and often free source of very valuable information. Then start looking at your long term strategy. Capital growth? Strong rental yields? Units vs Houses? You need to map out a few scenarios to give you an idea of repayments, negative gearing vs positive gearing, etc. Go to as many open houses and auctions as you can. You will get a great idea of the number of people inspection a particular type of property, demand, etc.

    Which state/city are you in?

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