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One of the biggest problems with OTP is the strata – its a killer. Also there is a massive number of developments going up in Kuring Gai. Virtually at the same price you can buy land which is slowly disappearing in that area.
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Depends on the area – I have one client who owns a block of land in a semi Resi/Industrial area and he is renting the land for cars to park their cards. It does have a gate.
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I live in Gordon and think its a massive mistake to buy OTP in St Ives and surrounding areas.
If you are looking in these areas – invest in land. The area is due for massive growth. You can pick up some really good buys around Turramurra.
How deposit do you currently have?
I know you said you understand the risks associated with OTP but what do you believe they are?
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I personally wouldn't use a LOC credit if its a deposit as its more expensive than standard loans. It has higher flexibility though.
If you have enough balance in the LOC to use as a deposit then yes you don't need the valuation as the facility is set up but again I wouldn't use a LOC to fund the deposit.
Why is the LOC there in the first place? Is it used for other means?
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Yes but the problem with this strategy is that the market is completely flooded. I am personally looking at fire damaged properties (which are harder to find) as the market is generally smaller. You being a carpenter will be able to tell which properties can be salvaged and which properties should be left alone (i.e. roof beams caving in,etc).
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Properties under $350k in Sydney are going off like rockets – there is massive competition.
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One of the most common curve balls is that valuations come back lower than the investor's expectation so it may be worthwhile (when you are ready to start buying) to do an upfront valuation. Most lenders offer this and it is free.
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How certain are you about the value of your property?
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1. Each bank/lender will have its own policy
2. If you are ascertaining a Pre Approval – make sure its a credit assessed Pre Approval and not a generic system approval
3. Pre-approvals last anywhere between 3 months to 6 months
I would be talking to a banker or broker about exactly what your options are. The figures above are fine – I would be looking closer at your situation (such as LVR, employment status, etc).
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The other thing is that investors don't realise is that in 10 years time it will be hard to differentiate the new property with one that is slightly older next door (say 13 years old).
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Strategy is fine but I would run the numbers and see whether you want to use the entire $150,000 or some of it (i.e. do you go with an 80% vs a 90% LVR).
Adding a Granny Flat would assist more in cashflow than it would for building equity but I would consider it as an option (or at least an option for somethign to do at a later stage).
An alternative strategy is to purchase 2 properties for around the $600k mark live in renovate both. You will be obviously sacrificing a level of lifestyle but I think its another strategy worth considering.
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When you say pre-approval are you referring to a loan?
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Generally no but it depends on the area. What area are you referring to?
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That is strange because they should ask you for your solicitor details when you are signing the COS as they need to write this on the COS.
You have 2 options. Option one is to put in the verbal offer and once they accept do not sign the COS and immediately order the B & P Inspection and have your solicitor/conveyancer review the COS. Once this is satsfactory then you can sign the COS. The benefit of this option is that if the B & P or upon review of the COS is not satisfactory then you do not lose your deposit. The disadvantage is that you may get gazumped.
Option 2 is to sign the COS, and then have your solicitor review the COS and the B & P inspection. The benefit of this is that you will not be gazumped however the disadvantage is that you will lose your holding deposit if any of the above is not satisfactory.
There is not right or wrong option – its comes down to a number of things such as how good the deal is, how confident you are the property is in the expected state, how many other potential buyers there are, etc.
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What's the strategy? E.g Buy and reno? Subdivide, develop? Have you considered the possibility of buying 2 properties with $650k or even buying something at the $300k mark and then using the remainder of the money to develop? Make sure you crunch the numbers and have a strategy.
The inner west is probably second to western sydney in terms of traffic and activity right now. I have had 3 people go to auctions and not even be able to put in their bid.
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Hi Steve,
I can't say which lender it is as it was an off the record conversation but they are putting something out within the next 2-3 months.
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Generally its very risky and not for me personally.
Pros:
1. Buy at today's market rate (albeit some are over priced)
2. Secure a property tody but do not need to settle until later say 1 or 2 years until the the property is completed
Cons:
1. One firesale in the complex and the valuation of your purchase will come down at the time of settlement
2. When valuation is done close to completion this could come back lower which means potential issues with settlement
3. Strata starts off relatively low but will increase rapidly as its a new complex
4. Don't know what type of finish you will get. The contract will have the actual finishes but doesn't show worksmanship
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Which areas are you looking at and whats your budget?
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Very nice – I was thinking laminate as well.
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Nice work – where abouts?
Also what flooring did you use, carpet, tiles or laminate?
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