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    Checkout this thread which is listed about 7 posts down from yours.
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    Fair comments in some places. However ….
    Usually ,commercial returns with very secure tenants and zip vacancy are selling between 6 1/2 – 8% max.
    As you know, commercial returns are nett, tenant pays all outgoings, CG is low, vacancy is a worry and when it hits it lasts longer than res. However, tenant turnover is much less, hence occupancy lasts longer. It's a trade off.
    Plus commercial leases have teeth (lockout options) unlike res leases. (don't you wish).

    Passive motel investment with rent returns are seriously overlooked , usually returning 8-9% with zip vacancy but also, they enjoy an extra factor which other commefcial investments don't have – the bonus is – if the tenant defaults and walks, the lease can be sold again. Tenants pay hundreds of $Ks to buy a motel lease, they move in and live there and operate it, and defaulting means moving home and losing big money. Big incentive to pay the rent and not breach the lease.

    CG for a freehold motel is dependant on increasing the nett profit,
    unless the land becomes more valuable than the business.
     
    Last 12 months, sales of motels has been so quiet that some brokers have stopped trying and bought motels themselves and started operating them because "strangely enough" for those who don't know,  many of us motel operators are saying "what GFC are you talking about ?"
    This has been a record year for us, no crisis here. None know the market better than the brokers and for them to buy the product they are selling is a full endorsement.
    We are now selling our freehold in 2 parts which might make it easier –  the leasehold for $365K which returns 30% owner operated, and the freehold passive rent collecting investment at $850K which returns 10%.
    Any genuine interested parties are welcome to PM me.

    You asked – " Do I want an investment for 25 years that brings in 9% rent pa but does not grow in terms of capital gains as say a good residential in a prime location?" 

    Personal choice according to your strategy. First, you can sell it, you don't have to keep it for 25 years. Remember it is nett.  Well many investors are looking for exactly that when they retire and don't want the hassle of residential leases, and anything sitting on land has some CG, but less hassle and immediate return in retirement is often more highly regarded than CG. Commercial nett return is now, nett cash flow now, in full, use it as you will. You speak of 5% now, ok, and CG comes eventually, usually, except for the last 2 years.  It's a different strategy I suppose. It suggests a balanced portfolio might do well and be complementary.

    I like motel investment, I understand it, it's a real estate based business with a free home thrown in, reliable tenants who can afford the rent, and it has flexibility. I'm expanding further into it.  Some residential property is also on the list for our portfolio but the motel income pays for it.

    Apologies for long post, but trying to be informative.

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    Hi Debski
    Please send me a private message incl your email address and check your private messages for the last one I sent you as well
    so I can send you some info.
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    Hi Alex
    Are you the buyer or seller ?
    Assuming you're the seller :
    Unless the contract expressly prevents renting it out, you technically still own the property until successful settlement, at which time ownership passes to someone else.
    So while you own it, do what you like.
    However, you have purchaser's  expectations to fulfil at settlement.
    Does the purchaser want a tenant ?
    If so, they might like to choose the tenant.
    If the purchaser does not want a tenant, then you are seeking a tenancy which can be successfully terminated on settlement, and, which will not affect the condition or appearance or vacant possession of the place by settlement date and which will not risk the premises passing final inspection before settlement..

    If you are the purchaser, then any rent belongs to the seller who is still the owner, until settlement.
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    Hi Lineth
    This is your first post so welcome to the Forum from just another forumite.
    Only one post in 6 years !!  That's a long time watching on the sidelines.
    I for one would need some time to get to know you from watching you helping others on the forum. 
    Never too late to start and always good to have experts around.
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    If anyone is genuinely and seriously looking to buy a motel in NSW contact me now as I have an excellent one for sale with genuine reasons for selling.
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    debski wrote:

    Hi,
    My husband and I are interested in running a motel.  Can anyone share their experiences/opinions in this area with us?  We would want to run the place ourselves as much as possible.  Since our personal accommodation would be on site, I would imagine that personal cash outgoings would be minimal which is a big incentive. 

    What sorts of loan terms do banks offer for purchasing motel leases?  We have about $1million in residential assests with about $400,000 in equity.  Would this be enough security for a lease of up to $400,000?

    Any general advice, comments would be much appreciated.

    Hi Debski
    I've got a motel for you to run if you're serious  –  contact me.

    Cheers
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    From my own personal experience with the previous RESULTS program, it's a case of putting in and getting out in equal proportions. If you see yourself spending the next 12 months wondering if you're barking up the wrong tree and don't want to waste a year, and would prefer to get on track and do it right with a mentor, then you can get the success you work for.
    There's not much you can do in real estate that won't generate $5K unless you're just cutting lawns, so the fee should fade by comparison.  GO to the get-tgethers, DO the networking, find out what others are doing and how, crunch numbers with them, share ideas, get the benefits.
    If the success of your alternatives looks uncertain, and you want more certainty, then plug into the program.
    It was well worth it for me.
    Wishing you all success for 2010 and a wonderful festive season for you and yours.
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    Hi Simon / Aof
    Pls  PM me as I have some great opportunities for you.
    Cheers
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    There's obviously a great need here.
    With voice, data & paper communications now conquering distances,  does it matter where this great accountant is?
    I have trouble communicating effectively with mine face to face, and the lack of knowledge is amazing.
    I think my plans have outgrown my accountant.
    My hand is up too. 
    Can we list these great accountants ?
    What about the Steve McKnight group starting something we can plug into ?( got your ears on Steve?)
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    Since almost nothing sells for the listed price, what's the point ?

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    what's on offer ?

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    It sounds like the road map thing – you need to know where you are now so you can create a map, plot a course and follow it.
    Not knowing anything about your level of education & experiencereal in estate investment , you might benefit from a mentoring program like R.E.S.U.L.T.S. from Steve McKnight. We found it excellent. Our mentor coach was Brendan Kelly who always hit the nail right on the head for us. Suggest you ring Brendan Kelly.
    Cheers
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    What group are you talking about ? What's the name ?

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    Ditto.  A  response should be positive and on-topic.

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    Hi Carpe
    Motel leases are usually owner operated and bought and sold through Brokers, and are usually priced according to the current market conditions and nett profit after rent is paid.
    At the moment, a motel leasehold in good condition trading well in a good NSW country  town should sell at around 30% nett meaning a leasehold which netts $120K after rent should sell for around $400K.
    Landlords are buying freeholds which are leased out already with a tenant / lessee / operator in place paying rent at a level which shows an  8.5% – 9% ROI.
    Why do I think these are a good investment ?
    Vacancy rate is nigh on nil, because the tenant has paid $400K to buy in, is liable for the monthly rent or in default, walks out and leaves the motel in operating condition and does his dough. Landlord re-sells for another $400K.
    Business & leasehold when bought cannot be moved elsewhere (unlike a shop, office or factory).
    It's the lessee's home as well.
    Motels make money and can afford the rent.
    Leases typically are 25 – 30 years.
    Rent is CPI adjusted.
    Tenant pays all outgoings.

    Example.
    Freehold value of motel $1.4m
    Netts 15% if freehold owner operated =  $210K.
    F/H owner sells a lease for $400K, F/H equity remaining $1m x 9% rent = $90K rent.
    L/H buyer buys lease for $400K, gets $210K nett, pays $90K rent = $120K nett after rent paid.
    So,
    Passive Investment Freehold / Lessor /  Landlord  – gets 9% return on $1m.
    Lessee motel operator gets 30% return on $400K (plus a free home).

    If the leaseholder operator  increases the nett return of the business in a sustainable way, the value of the leasehold  increases and can be on-sold at a higher price. It does not alter the rent. 

    Real Example. Initially we purchased a leasehold ourselves with an option to buy the freehold for a pre-set amount within 3 years. So it was like the above example with us having the option to buy the remaining freehold part of the motel for $1m because we had already paid $400K for the leasehold. We operated the leasehold for nearly 3 years and during that time we increased the nett profit hence the value of our leasehold, which provided enough equity for the Bank to approve finance for us to buy the freehold.  The cap gain belongs to us.
      
    It's a flexible investment area. Hope this post is not too long.

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    Hi Debski
    Yes it's confusing because It's such a versatile and flexible area of investment, enjoy the options.
    There are enough important considerations in this area of investment for someone to write a book on it. 
    The topic is too long for a post here but this is an info sharing area so I'll cover a little of it but be brief.

    Location.
    Outside cities, as usual, town selection is important. A good motel in a poor location will underperform because at least 25% of occupancy is from passing traffic.  Within the town, location is important and proximity to clubs cafes and food, and negatively speaking, noise and odour.
    Restaurant.
    Regarded by the industry as an inducement to stay and a means of filling beds. Usually they require an extra 40 hours per week and break even at best.   
    Size.
    Depends on target market. Buses require a restaurant and min 26 rooms. Otherwise for general market, average country town demands 15-22 rooms.
    Lease.
    Min 25 years, 30 better, so there is plenty to on-sell after 5 years of operation. Terms vary, some leases are onerous and need to be adjusted for fairness. Some have rent increase formulas which ensure rent increases too quickly and the lease crashes into court a few years down the track.
    Occupancy.
    Check ABS figures – Tourist Accommodation Small Area Data NSW – shows occupancy by town and region plus heaps of other info. Bottom line is more important than occupancy rate.
    Leasehold Price.
    The nett profit is generally regarded as 30% of the value. So a $400K leasehold should nett after rent is paid $120K, + free home.
    Exit Strategy.
    Need one of these before entry.
    Finance.
    Talk to the long standing Finance Brokers on this website who have solid reputations for helping investors.

    I sent you a PM invite  for a phone chat, please check your message inbox, most welcome to call.

    Cheers
    thecrest

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    Hi Carpe
    It helps to be sceptical. The owner seeking to sell on leaseback wants to get money out, while enhancing the deal by being a tenant, but for how long? Why get out ?
    Tenancy pays, vacancy doesn't. Sometimes owners become sellers when they get a whiff of someone folding or wanting to leave. Landlords have more info , goss, intel, etc on their properties and existing tenants than prospective buyers.
    Some leases have 2-3 yrs annual rent increases at CPI then the next one at "market rent" which allows for a higher increase if the area is prospering faster than CPI.
    7% is low and as such should only be enough if the tenants are very secure stable ones, like household names.
    Good luck.
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    Hi Debski
    Banks usually want 50% deposit for leaseholds, using cash or equity, reduced interest rates if using residential equity as security.
    CV/Resume showing ability to operate such a business is of interest to lenders especially in the current lending climate.
    The line blurs between personal outgoings and business in a motel so ATO deems an amount if you overdo it. Better to keep under the radar.  Your equity should be sufficient for your target but depends on how the Bank views and values your equity.
    Do massive homework until you understand this area of investment before considering buying.
     I own and operate one, it's a good investment.
    Cheers
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    What's the name and location of your company or organisation or self  ?
    Legitimacy and transparency always go together.

    Cheers
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