Depending on how much you love the place… if you're happy to let it pass, I would make a lowball offer (~10 or 20k below asking price) and just walk away if not accepted. If they're playing games, they might be desperate.
Just wanted to warn James B about spruikers who haven't accumulated many posts on this forum…
All too often, people have been burnt by some wonderful development or off-the-plan investment. Do your due diligence before investing your hard-earned savings into anything!
I've read Rich Dad Poor Dad and I had a general feeling of unease about it. The John T Reed website sums up all my thought perfectly about that book. Don't get sucked into the hype! think carefully while reading.
Bankwest have a track record of providing very slow service and causing delayed settlements (causing heaps of stress for FH buyers who are purchasing property for the first time). This goes to show that borrowers should not think that the loan product with lowest rate is actually best for you. Consider the Lender's service, rates elasticity (see below), structure and features as well.
this is new to me. The MB assured me that bankwest was super fast (3 working days for no LMI, 5 working days for LMI).
Edvico_kvn wrote:
I also agree you should make your first purchase a PPOR as it will enable you to get FHOG $7k plus exemption from Stamp Duty (NSW SD for $500k property is a whopping $18k!). Being a Sydney sider, you must have felt first-hand (or heard from friends in the same renting boat) the agony of finding decent proprerty to lease recently. Having 40 people competing for the one rental property, Landlord jacking up rent, Banks forcing tenants out because Landlord defaulted on investment loan…..etc. Nothing beats owning your own place with no external pressures associated with being a tenant.
I think we will buy a PPOR 1st. We are newly married, want to move into our 1st home, not to mention that since I was 18yo I have been saving up to buy a house. Most girls spend their money shopping but I always put my spare cash towards a deposit and now we have saved enough to buy our place when many of our friends are still renting.
Edvico_kvn wrote:
Getting a loan with offset facility is probably best as you can park excess cash into the offset account (to save interest expense) and not "poison" your loan balance by making redraws (for private purposes such as paying for groceries). I geuss the Mortgage Choice guy emphasised you don't "need" an offset facility because Bankwest Rate Tracker product doesn't have one. It has a very low honeymoon rate but lacks offset facility (which is important if u plan to use equity to purchase IP down the track).
(although with an introductory honeymoon rate, using the Mortgage Shredder product)
Edvico_kvn wrote:
Tess, it sounds like you might benefit from considering the 6 year Capital Gains tax main residence exemption rule. I've actually written a short flyer/example of how this rule works. Feel free to email me should you wish read a soft-copy of it.
There is nothing to stop you buying an PPOR and making the loan interest only with a 100% offset account attached to it.
At the moment, this is our current intention. (unless it will negatively affect our tax situation when we buy our IP a few years later? I need to read up some more on this)
Qlds007 wrote:
Also i cannot see why you would not consider a Line of Credit for a client who clearly wishes to purchase additional properties as this clearly identifies the funds use by having a separate account.
I believe that the Mortgage Choice broker had tailored his spiel to us as "1st home buyers" and therefore wanted to make things as simple as possible. He gave a short anecdote of a client who had a LoC and had paid off "bugger all" on the loan (his words, not mine). He then said persuasively "and that's why we're not going to talk about it today" & moved the topic onto redraws/offsets. (UItimately, he recommended an offset account for us over a redraw one, specifically Bankwest's product).
Altogether, he gave us the impression that he was here to save us a lot of trouble, because he knew about all the products & he could cut out a lot of the work for us.
He distinctly said that we would sign up on a honeymoon rate for 1 year (Mortgage shredder) then get switched over to the professional Lite package with Bankwest, getting credit cards (paid off via autosweep from offset acount) and an offset accounts all with Bankwest. He said that Bankwest was the only bank to offer 2 offset accounts, which could come in handy for hubby & I.
I'm reading up about LoC now and they are supposed to be good for people who are disciplined with their finances… which we are. Until I find out something about LoC which is far better than an offset account, my preference still lies with the offset account
So, we have gone and seen our 1st MB from Mortgage Choice. He seems pretty well informed (fairly sure he was not a plumber in the morning!) and knows his calculations. (I studied annuities last year and he definitely knows his numbers). Not so sure if he knows his products since this is an area that I don't have any experience in.
We want to buy our PPOR now (550k). We also mentioned we wanted to buy our 1st IP (~300-400k) within 5 years or so. He said he would look after us for that. Many of his clients have multiple properties, all organised by him.
He mentioned: – redraw account – offset account (this was recommended to us, particularly Bankwest's one) – line of credit (said he didn't think this was suitable for us)
He seems to want to take us down the path of Bankwest's mortgage shredder (1 year) followed by a free switch into their pro package, the Lite home loan.
At the end of the meeting, he wanted to "stir up some ideas" that we may not have thought about yet. eg. instead of buying a PPOR now and an IP later… why not buy an IP first and rent? One of his clients owns 8-10 IPs all around Australia, but still rents, because he rents where he can't afford to buy. If we do well out of that, then we can buy a bigger PPOR. Kept going on about tax deductibility of IPs and that he could recommend someone to us if we wanted this route.
My qualms about this are: – I really want to buy a PPoR, a place to call my own, one where we can make changes without worrying about landlord! – not getting FHOG (unless we live in the IP for 6 months), also IP will incur capital gains when it comes to sell (unlike PPOR)
Didn't ask about a rebate on commission cos I felt a bit mean-spirited in doing so.
Edvico, Richard, thank you for your considered replies. I hadn't realised that if we were going to get an IP a couple of years down the track, that the loan needs to be structured correctly NOW. i'll ask the Mortgage Choice guy about that, but it's only our 1st consultation today — if he doesn't turn out to be any good, I will find a better broker who is qualified to give financial advice.
I work in the financial area myself, so I'm definitely prepared to pay extra for good advice. Only problem is that I don't know that much about property (this is our first foray into the market).. looking forward to learning from all the experts on this forum!
Meeting a potential mortgage broker today (guy from Mortgage choice). Do you think it is worth asking for a 30% or 50% rebate on commission? My husband & I have well-paying jobs, and though this is our first property and we are young, we expect to buy a couple of IPs before we are 30.
hmmm, more food for thought. devo's post reminds me of Donnie Darko (when the propeller crashes into his house)
We are planning to live in our first house for a while, so I guess we'll have to debate the price of silence… ie. the question of whether it is ok to buy a nice & cheap place right under the flight path, or to pay more for a quieter place. We've been looking for a while and am getting priced out of most places that we see… hard to believe that for our money ($500-$550k) we can only get really old homes or "only" an apartment. We need to be close to the CBD, but by gosh, Sydney's market is pretty crazy!!
I'm looking around Newtown/St Peters. My parents are trying to talk me out of one directly underneath the flight path… eg. fuel dumping and all that jazz. Does anyone know much about the health issues of living under a flight path? (apart from the constant day & night noise)
Thanks for your response. We are not looking for a low-doc loan, we have 20% deposit and substantial documentation (both have full time jobs. We have both worked for 1 year, being recent uni grads)
I'm just preparing the documents for Mortgage choice, gee, they want you to bring a whole lot of things along! (last few pay slips, credit card statements, etc). I don't know if I can be bothered having consultations with 5 different lenders…..! I've had to print off so much stuff already!
I should also mention that we are not looking for a low-doc loan… we have 20% deposit and are looking at a property in the $500k-$600k range. [I know that under $500k will have free stamp duty for first home buyers, but we are in Sydney and need to be close to work in the city)
(didn't know how to edit my above post ) One would wonder why I don't just take out a 10 year mortgage, but I'm not sure if I can repay the loan in that time.
Are there discharge fees for offset accounts?
PS. sorry for hijacking the above topic, I did think this was a relevant digression…
So, can you incur fees just by paying back your mortage early? eg. I want to take out a 15 year mortgage but I'm going to aim to pay it off in 10 years by making $xxx payments per month.
Thanks all for the advice. I'm a little nervous about dipping my feet into the property market as I have only been involved in share trading. I'd have to sell most of my shares/managed funds to invest in property. Ideally I'd like to own a PPoR and IP but I don't want all my eggs in one basket, I still want to maintain an exposure to shares (since the returns seem to be higher these days). I'll probably buy the PPoR first, then a small IP 3-4 years later depending on how my fiance and I go with our incomes…
thanks so much for the responses. i am leaning towards buying our PPoR and then an IP maybe 2 years later.
just a few questions, let's assume we take out a mortgage for the PPoR and make 2 years worth of repayments ($3000 per month for 2 years = $72,000)
1. to avoid LMI, we'd have to stump up another 20% of the value of the IP. I doubt we'd have saved 60k-70k as we're constantly making repayments for the PPor. So, how can we "re-draw" this 60k-70k from the PPoR mortgage? Would we have to get an offset account for the PPoR? Or do we just go with the same lender and let them sort it all out (somehow?!) ?
2. If we want the IP loan to be as large as possible, do we turn that into an interest only loan while making repayments against the home?