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It is always a good time to buy when you think about the long term. Imagine if you purchased at the peak of the last boom (when was it, 1990?). Waht would the property be worth now?
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Dags, no lender will lend more than the property is worth. In fact most will only lend 80% of what it is worth, or more-up to 95% in certain locations-if you pay lenders mortgage insurance (LMI – this covers the lender if you go bad).
With low docs, you will generally only get 80% LVR or less.
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Jason
I like MH’s idea.
There is no way for them to simply increase their loan on their current property and for it to be taxable. If they simply get a loan on their new property they will be paying the mortgage with after tax dollars, not dedcutions. But they will be paying even more tax as their old property will be making a nice profit.
If they sold to a trust, they get to keep the property but can get a loan for the trust to purchase it. The funds received will be tax free (CGT exempt) and they can be used for the new home purchase. All they will be up for is:
Trust formation-$1000
Stamp duty – $7200 (approx in NSW)
legals-$500 approx
and a few more various small feesmaybe $9000 all up.
The trust would rent the house out and claim interest on the full loan (maybe 95% LVR), overall it may be slightly negatively geared. At the same time the $220,000 from the sale of the house to the trust could be used for building and they may need a small loan of $30,000. the interest on this would be minimal.Now say they rented out as is:
rent $250 per week = $13,000 per year. less say $1000 in deductions = $12,000 profit. say they paid an average of 30% tax, that would be $4000 per year in extra tax. At the same time, they would have a mortgage of $250,000 on their new home. the interest on this would be about $15,000 in yr 1, and they couldn’t claim it!Does this make sense?
And beware of taking advice from ‘friends’. It can cost you dearly. get some good advice from a GOOD accountant.
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Gavin
I agree with MH. This type of financing is tough. It is not normal commercial and there are only a few financiers willing to lend for petrol station. The LVRs may be around 60%. And they are worried about site contamination etc. valuations (and legals etc) are expensive, like $2000+ and have to be paid upfront and can vary a lot because of lack of comparable sales. And they wold probably only lend on the value of the security not including the business.
It sounds like prety good deal if you could get the vendor to finance the deposit for you. I think in these sorts of deals the vendor would get between 10 and 20% pa. depends on how desparate to sell they are
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I don’t know if you can set up a property trust like that without getting ASIC approval and a prospectus. Maybe you should check with ASIC just in case. This is like raising money from the public.
If you just want to set up a trust with friends etc then it should be ok, and a good accountant will be able to help you with structure. It sounds like you are in a very good financial position, good luck.
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I htink you can only claim in proportion to your share of ownership. But you may be able to set up a partnership and claim differently further information can be found in the ATO rental properties booklet, which you can get as a PDF file on http://www.ato.gov.au somewhere.
Have you considered using a discretionary trust or a hybrid unit trust for this? Witha Hybrid all the interest could possibly attributed to the highest earner. More info is in Dale Gatherum Goss’s “Trust Magic” book.
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Hi there Bill and Jim. I forgot the most important part, the interest rate will be 3.99% on the owner occ interest only (LOC) 30 years and then you can have a Term Loan on an investment property also 30 years interest only at a rate of 7.74%
I think that high court appeal by the ATO is set down for Nov 7.
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Hi New Kid
You’re in a great position at the moment while you are living at home. I would sugget you might look at going for 95% loans earlier on. the reason being, the less money in, the further your savings stretches. Also as you get more properties it becomes harder to qualify to pass teh lenders mortgage insurance guidelines.
Say you are looking around the $100,000 range and assuming 10% rental yield, you should be able to buy around 5 or 6 at 95% LVR-maybe even more -another 6?. You will need to come up with 5% deposit and costs. Some Lenders (ANZ, suncorp) allow you to borrow the LMI on top of the 95% loan as well reducing your upfront cash needed.
How much cash do you have at the moment? after a while you will ahve to increase your deposits from 5% to 10% then to 20% as you ‘hit the wall’ with LMI. If you can keep comming up with 20% deposits, then you can go far. Accessing the growth in the earlier properties will help as well as saving hard. (I did 5 x 95% loans with one bank in less than a year on a similar salary a few years ago)
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And it takes ages for the money to come in. Just think, you get someone a pre approval, then they go and look for a property, then 42 days settlement, then the money comes in up to a month later. That $35,000 that you were going to spend on a franchise could help come in handy until you get on your feet. It is a years salary to many people.
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If you have limited cash, options are a good strategy. Buy a option on a property and find someone to sell the option to, or do a sandwich lease option where you lease a property with an option to purchase and then sublease it at a higher rent with a higher option price. You could do unlimited numbers of these as you wouldn’t need to qualify for finance. You just have to find them!
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basically you will have to keep comming up with 20% deposits (at least) to keep on going. You can get the deposits from many sources including capital growth, savings, joint ventures, etc. If your properties are cashflow positive this helps a lot.
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I wouldn’t touch a serviced apartment. Hard to get finance, hard to onsell, low capital growth and relatively low rental yields.
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Hi Chris
Thsi happens to most people sooner or later. Some banks are more lenient than others (Westpac is pretty good). Not all use the same figures when calculating. eg some add margins on the interest rates (a buffer), others assume PI loans, others assume higher monthly expenses etc. So shopping around helps.
Some people also get around this by using low docs or no docs. Do you have much of a deposit/equity?
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Hi Chris
Thsi happens to most people sooner or later. Some banks are more lenient than others (Westpac is pretty good). Not all use the same figures when calculating. eg some add margins on the interest rates (a buffer), others assume PI loans, others assume higher monthly expenses etc. So shopping around helps.
Some people also get around this by using low docs or no docs. Do you have much of a deposit?
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I remember hearing a dispute years ago about a Qantas Pilot who lived in the country and also had some sort of business at home. He was claiming travel from his home and the airport in Sydney (where he clocked on). his arguement was that he home was also a work place. And I think the ATO allowed it!
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There are companies that will lend to people that haven’t got their finance approved, but their applciations and assessment proceedures are just as strenuous.
Most banks issue them now. one company that I know of is deposit Power
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So do I!
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It is pretty hard to get a loan for a business as really there is no security.however, some banks will lend for big franchise purchases such as McDonalds. Unless you have property you can use as security it will probably be very hard and/or hihg rates?
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I got that one too.
I think these people search the net (all auotmated) looking for email address. They probably got mine from here. Thats why some people use a ‘at’ instead of @ or ‘dot’ instead of . in their email addresses. I have a spamm stopper, but this one must have gotten thru.
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I would do a lot mroe research before you consider buying a franchise. What does it cost? I have heard of ones going for $20,000 and then they only give you 80% of the commission you make.
Why not go work for a mortgage broking company for a while, and then just go out on your own. Save yourself $20,000.
As for income, I have heard of people doing $4 mil a month in loans. Thats a lot of commission!
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