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    Unit trusts are good because the ownership portions can be fixed. You could also have your discretionary trust owing the units in the unit trust for maximum flexibility.

    If there is a split up, it will still be messy and one will have to buy out the other, so it won’t be much different than buying in your own names, but the asset protection will be greater in the trust.

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    Yes it would be legal. But you would have to pay tax on it. but she is probably paying tax anyway. It would look good for your next loan application too>

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    You should be able to. In NSW I beleive that if they pay anything other than 10% and they don’t go thru, there is a clause that says you are entitled to the full 10%.

    It may not even cost that much in legal fees to do, but may be worth it.

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    Troy

    if you trust is the shareholder, then the $200,000 could go to the trust as a dividend payment. The trust pays no tax if the money is distributed, so if $50,000 went to yourself, then you would pay tax on this money. it would be added to your other income, so you may end up paying more tax than if you left it in the company.
    The $50,000 used for property investment, this would have to be distributed to someone or some entity and they would have to pay tax on this. The money can be loaned to another company or trust, but tax would still be paid on the initial distribution.

    this is my understanding anyway.

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    Yes you can use an existing report (but don’t have to), however it may be worth while to get a new one done by a professional company. Try http://www.depreciator.com.au they guarrantee you will be able to claim more in your first year than the cost of the report.

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    I recall seeing (but not reading) a tax ruling on this subject too on the ATO site.

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    Hi Hux

    Usually it is the other way around. ie people trying to hide loans not assets. I would say declare it, as it can only strengthen your case. The bank cannot take amortgage over this property without your consent (and signing loads of docs), so you have nothing to fear.

    You may also be getting rent from this porperty which you would not be able to show if you don’t declare ownership.

    The lenders is unlikley to find out you have this property if you don’t list it, but in the unlikely event that they do a title search under your name, it may come up. (also depends on how unusual your name is as DOBs are not recorded).

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    Yes I would say it is safer to gift money to the trust. If you (or a company) loan the money and are ever sued, the person suing you could call in that loan. If a gift, then they probably couldn’t (depending on when it was gifted-if within 6 months of going bankrupt then you could be in trouble).

    If the trust owns the shares in a trading company, then all the profits would go to the trust which could then distribute it at the trsutees discretion. If owned by individuals you don’t have this flexibility.

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    Gee. I think it may be wise. Try to get the lender to pay for it as it is their fault. If they won’t speek to their complaints section.

    This happened to me the other day as well. A clients solicitor dropped the document folder after settlement. Luckily she was shopping at the time and the shop assistant found it.

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    It is really no different to getting a loan in your own name. Lenders will ask for a guarrantee from the trustee (or Directors of the trustee company).

    The only additional information that the banks usually ask for is a copy of the trust deed.

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    BTW, there is not minimum period specified in which you must live at the house to class it as your main residence.

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    Yes. You can still treat it as you main residence for a period of up to 6 years, even if it is rented out. But you can only claim one property to be you main residence. It comes under section 118-145 of the Income Tax Assement Act (i think-from memory).

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    From my understanding, CGT rollover relief is not avaiable in Australia.

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    Yes. The wrappees usually have to put down a deposit. Some people are able to use the FHOG as their deposit-on the cheaper properties.

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    It is harder to get a loan for this type of specialty property, especially if it can’t be readily converted to be used by other industry. Lenders worry, if they have to foreclose they it would be harder to sell.

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    Lenders are usually conservative. So if you can’t afford it on paper, you are unlikely to get a conventional loan. However there are loans out there, such as private lenders, who lend based soley on the value of the property, not taking into account your income. So if you can still come up with deposits, you can keep borrowing.

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    There is no easier answer. A combination of hard work/savings and capital growth. Buying undervalued property and/or adding value in a rising market all helps.

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    Caitlyn

    At least sue them for the full 10% deposit!

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    I know of no lender that will not ask for a guarrantee.

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    I don’t know what you mean by ‘creative finance’, but there are various things you can do. It really depends on what the house will value for. if it actually comes in at $230,000 you could still pay $230,000 with your parents gifting you $30,000. The bank would be able to lend you say 90% of $230,000 = $207,000. That way you would not need to use your other house as security (which would be cross collateralising).

    You can only claim one of your homes as a PPOR, but can claim both for a limited period of 6 months. If you are living in your home, then it should be CGT exempt when you sell. But check this with an accountant.

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