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    Sounds like they charged you a fee for things which others provide for free. not sure if any of the above are something FOS can investigate. You seemed to have entered a contract with them to provide services which they provided.

    Maybe contact the dept of fair trading in your state first, and ASIC investigate these marketing schemes involving paying the home loan off sooner.

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    Over the years I have changed my mind on using a company to own real property. I made a long post about this on another forum, but it can be beneficial to use a company because of the separate land tax threshold in some states such as NSW and also the ability to retain income and to pay it out at a future date with franking credits.

    Certainly it is work considering.

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    You should retain evidence in case you are audited. If the ATO sent you a letter asking for evidence that the property was your main residence what would you give?

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    One reason you may want JT over TIC is because on the death of one owner the survivor becomes the sole owner automatically, outside the will (this is for JT). Regardless of what the will says the survivor will inherit. This may also reduce the chances of the property being attacked if the will is invalid or if there is an exspouse or others who haven’t been provided for.

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    Yes it is possible.

    yes you could change from TIC (owned 50.50) to JT generally without stamp duty. But why would you want to? This is an ownership structure change but will also need consent of your lender as they hold the title deeds.

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    All property is subject to CGT. However there are some limited exceptions such as a property being your main residence, being under 2 hectares, not used to produce income etc.

    A property can only be your main residence if it is your main residence – i.e. you have to reside there. Move your stuff and live there sort of thing.

    And just because you do live there doesn’t necessarily mean it will be exempt. If you are a builder or doing this to make money it won’t be exempt from CGT.

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    How you structure ownership may also hold you back. A company is an usual way to own (did you set up this for land tax in NSW?) but you can limit guarantees by strategically choosing the director. This will free up the borrowing capacity for the non director. Sometimes one spouse will own but both will be on the loan. If this is not needed for servicing that loan then the non owner spouse should be immediately removed – both for asset protection and serviceability of future loans.

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    You say this purchase brings both properties up to 90% LVR. But you should be attributing the loan for the deposit, presumably on the PPOR, to the investment property. Interest on this loan will be deductible against the IP. So the loan you can claim on the PPOR may be lower than expected. Also any increases of the PPOR loan, or any withdrawal won’t be deductible.

    So work out exactly what expenses you could claim on the PPOR, including depreciation and work out the cashflow position. Then work out how much income tax this could save you each year. Then consider is this worth the hassle of moving out.

    You could still probably claim the main residence CGT exemption on the PPOR for up to 6 years.

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    Pay more what?

    Paying principal of a loan is not deductible.

    Why would you want to make it negative? That would mean you are losing money. You would be spending $1 to save 45cents. Doesn’t make sense.

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    If loans then a credit licence is required = mortgage broker.

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    The ebook is in the signature
    “Trusts and Tax for Property Investors” download free at http://www.propertytaxsolutions.com.au/

    The loan agreement is that between the trustee as borrower and yourself as lender?

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    BTW, I think I cover some of this briefly in my ebook, and I am writing a more detailed book on trusts, mainly from the legal side of things.

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    It is critical that you establish whether the contribution to the trust is a loan or a gift. This is from a tax perspective as well as from an asset protection perspective.

    If you borrowed the money to lend to the trust, who is claiming the interest on this loan? If it is you, then you shouldn’t be. If it is the trust then there seems to be no loan agreement in writing so if audited the ATO may deny the interest. If you gifted the money to the trust and you borrowed it then the interest won’t be deductible to either you or the trust.

    If you were to become bankrupt at some future date then the loan is your asset and will be recovered and handed over to creditors. If it was a gift it may be protected if made 4 years before bankruptcy (other things to consider too). But since there is no documentation it will be argued that it is a loan.

    Imagine what could happen if you died. The executor would have to sue the trustee to get the money back – it would be their duty to do so and they would be personally exposed if they didn’t. But there is no paperwork to determine which it is. This could lead to a court hearing costing the estate tens of thousands. Your children could miss out on the money lent as well as the legal fees. This happened to one of my clients.

    Good that the trustee is keeping assets segregated though.

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    You must treat the ‘trust’ as a separate person and segregate the trust assets including income from rent, cash etc from your own assets. Does the trustee have a separate bank account for the trust money and rents? And how did you use your equity in your personal property for a property purchase in the trust?

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    ( the one that is building/soon to be finished), and they told me that i can only get positive cash flow by purchasing this type of property.

    Which they coincidentally happen to be selling.

    Beware.

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    How can they then assume (as they do when setting up the example and in the final table on page 39), that their total asset pool can yield 5%.

    The beauty with these sorts of projections is you can make things up to suit the desired outcome. Doesn’t mean things will pay out like this , but it sounds good.

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    PPOR – you sound like you could be messing things up with the trust assets and loans. You need to keep your personal finances and trust finances separate of the trustee could be in breach of trust. You shouldn’t be paying into a trust loan without thinking carefully about it and properly documenting whether it is a loan or a gift.

    Trust loans should be in the name of the trustee.

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    Yes can keep loans with same lender without crossing.

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    ME Bank recently increasedd their 3 year fixed rates too Could this be the start of the upwards trend?

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    Hard to say without knowing any details. Assuming they all beneficiaries worst case may be just under 25% tax. They should all sit down with their tax advisor and work it out – well in advance of 30 June

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