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    Banks do not like third party guarrantees for obvious reasons – they would have to evict and sell your mum up if you default.

    I know of one lender that will do this, depending on LVRs etc. Both yourself and your mum with have to take separate legal adivce. Rates are around 8%.

    However, a better option would be to do what Richard suggested. Take a 20% loan on your mum’s property, for the deposit.

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    Richard

    Just wondering why you would not do a LO in QLD? Is it the tenancy laws?

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    I would suggest you get some professional advice before you do anything.

    Transfer of a property will result in legal fees, stamp duty and possibly CGT. This could all be avoided if the property was left in the parents names. They could then obtain a LOC (or loan with redraw) and ‘lend’ you the money.

    Both may have tax consequences and centrelink consequnces – ie it could affect their pension or benefits if they are receiving any.

    If this proeprty is not going to be your main residence, you may also want to consider putting into a trust for asset protection and tax reasons.

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    Before you sack the agent, it may be wise to look into rents in general in your area. The one next door may be unusually high.

    However, it is your call, you are the boss. If the agent is no following your instructions, then terminate the agreement with them. $50 pw is a lot of money.

    BTW, each proeprty an agent manages adds about $2500 to the value of their business.

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    Commission is about 2% to 2.5% but you could vary this. eg set a price you want, and say you will only pay 1% for any sale below this, set a price a bit higher and offer more – an incentive for them to sell it at a higher price.

    Also beware of signing on for 3 months. This is a long time, and some do not perform until the 2nd month when they think they may lose you. Try signing on for one month. If they can’t sell during this time, but are trying hard, then you could sign up for another.

    Exclusive is probably better. Places with multiple signs on them appear to be desparate for a sale. But this tactic could work, by attracting more buyers.

    Maybe you can add a clause saying they get nothing if you find your own buyer.

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    There is no doubt some are ‘scams’. I went to one years ago that charged $5500, they had a money back guarrantee so I took the opportunity to get my money back.

    However, some of these courses can be useful – if you implement what you are taught.

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    Also check the size. Small units are hard to get finance for, and this can limit resale price.

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    Robert

    You asked me to explain how a cashbond improves serviceability.
    I did this.

    You then insult me and claim I tell my clients “these high-risk, and sometimes illegal, crazy structures.”
    I don’t. I merely explained a strategy that one financial planner has been using successfully for years.

    I suggest you calm down and stop trying to defame me publically.

    There are people other than you (and me) on this forum. Some may find benefit in discussing various ideas. Whether we implement them or not is beside the point.

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    Originally posted by Terryw:

    I had better start a new topic for the cashbond ‘debate’

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    I have made a new thread at:
    https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forum/topic/17263.html

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    I don’t understand what that post was about.

    It appears you just try to attack anything I write.

    You still don’t seem to be able to understand this idea of investors club. There are no fixed time rules, seven years is just the time it takes for the average proeprty to double (their figures). BTW, I wouldn’t say year 8 is the start of someone’s investing career.

    They have not abandoned it, but have modified it in some way. I am not a member so am not sure how they have modified it.

    And it is possible to keep on getting loans, even if you do not have an income or cannot substantiate an income.

    You also wrote:
    Again I must emphasise that anyone who actually sits down and plans to do this (UNLESS FOR RETIREMENT) should have their head read.

    Unless for retirement? So it is a good idea it is it for retirement? Isn’t that the goal, to give up work?

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    I had better start a new topic for the cashbond ‘debate’

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    Rob, I Don’t beleive there is any difference to what I initially wrote. Maybe your perception of the concept has improved.

    Of course this strategy would not work at the start of someone’s investing life. That’s why the investors club were saying to wait until year 8 to withdraw equity, that way the property would have had 7 years of growth behind it before you increased the loan.

    Unfortunately it can take longer than 7 years for many properties to become positively geared, so increasing rents would help, but probably would not be enough. Therefore this could be supplemented by equity draw downs.

    Rob, what do you think of reverse mortgages?

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    There are perfectly good reasons that someone might want to offer a rebate.

    eg. repairs to be completed before settlement or $X comes off the price.

    eg. must settle by XXX or $xx comes off the price.

    etc

    How can these be illegal?

    Not informing the lender, MAY be a different matter.

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    Hi Rob again

    I was talking about two different strategies. The one above by me was concerning the Navra method.

    The other one by the investors club (which is now no longer current) involved buying one property per year and then living off equity in year 8. Of course one would be working during the period when you would be buying proeprties – otherwise how could you proceed?

    If you don’t know how a cashbond (annuity) can improve serviceability, then I can explain.

    Yes living off equity is just like a reverse mortgage. Don’t you agree that these are good? Someone can retain their asset , which will still grow, and get some money out.

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    Sounds like you are asking for a rebate. As far as I know this is legal to do, though many solicitors do not like it.

    You may be going into a grey area if you were to tell a lender you are paying a higher price for the property and then obtain finance on this higher price.

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    I would doubt that you could depreciate buyer’s agents fees or even claim them over 5 years like loan expenses.

    Any accountants out there?

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    Hi Guys

    Rob, I can see your warming to the idea!

    Derek, I beleive Steve Navra has a private ruling concerning his deductibility of interest for his cashbonds. Because the cashbonds return only about 4%, and it will cost you about 7% to borrow the money to buy them, there is a shortfall. The ruling is about the deductibility of this shortfall. The purpose of getting the bond is to increase serviceability, so deductibility is allowable.

    But the neither cashbond or the ruling are not necessary for living off equity.

    It has been about 4 years since I did the Navra course, so he may have modified his approach.

    From memory, he says something like this:

    Build up a large portfolio of good property while working. When you reach a certain level, you can ease off work, or stop completely. You can then draw down part of the growth of the portfolio afer it has occurred, taking now more than 80% of the growth.

    eg. $2,000,000 worth of property. If the portfolio grew at 5%, that is $100,000 growth for the year. In this case, the investor could take a max of $80,000 out for use (lifestyle etc).

    The next year, you portfolio does not grow at all. That means you cannot take out any extra funds. You may have to get a job! or you may have some money left over from the previous year.

    Part of the money you take out would need to be used to pay for the additional interest incurred.

    Steve Navra is a licenced Financial Planner, and he also runs cheap weekend courses a few times a year. He also incorporates shares into his program as well and suggests building up a good portfolio of shares which will add to your income.

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    I am not an accountant, but think that would be a capital improvement. You should be able to claim depreciation though.

    You should be able to start claiming costs as soo as you are renting or attempting to rent the property.

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    I don’t know. But it is treated similar to legal fees. They are purchase costs.

    It would be good if I am wrong as it would be much better to claim them up front. I guess it could come down to the wording of the tax invoice>

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    What a mess!

    I would think it a good idea to get the superfund out of those properties completely would be a good idea. You could buy them from your superfund. Stamp duty would be payable, but it would only be charged on the portion purchased. The superfudn would have to pay CGT, but I beleive this is only 10%.

    At least this would separate the two entities and allow you to leverage off the properties to buy more.

    Better talk to a good accountant first.

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