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    HAve a look at the adverts in the Australian Property Investor magazine.

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    Cata

    If a trust mortgages property, that may not necessarily mean a loan agreement.

    If it did, and the individual was sued, that loan could possiblly be called it as it would be an asset to the individual. So the trust taking a mortgage over an individual’s property may not work if it was a loan.

    I am not sure of the legalities of all this. A mortgage is really just a lien, or a security device over property (I think), and the loan agreement, if any, is separate.

    A mortgage could be taken for a number of reasons. (I can’t think of any at the moment!)

    Any comments?

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    Eleven

    I can’t see anything where the ATO doesn’t like hybrid trusts in that TA (or elsewhere). This is about a scheme anyway, so is different to property investment. And I have seen a private ruling from the ATO where they were happy with a hybrid trust owning an investment property. So I think you have nothing to fear, especially if you ask an accountant to properly set up your structure.

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    I am not a solicitor either, but.

    It seems there is a dispute over the interpretation of “plant and equipment”. The contract was with the vendor/purchaser, not the REA, so any communication should have been to you or to your solicitor not the REA. And this communication should have been done before acceptance of the offer (ie exchange?).

    So I guess three issues standout:
    1) does plant and equipment included a bore pump? If so,
    2) can a communication to the RE agent mean communication to the purchaser. Maybe not, agent represents vendor
    3) Did agent communicate that the pump was not included.

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    Another point. Having your investment loan as a LOC could result in problems with taxation – depending on how it is used.

    Every time money is placed in a loan it is considered a repayment. Every withdrawal is considered new borrowings.

    So if someone has their salary deposited directly into the loan and then withdraws money for food/living expenses etc, the interest on the withdrawal will not be deductible.

    If the LOC was used for investment purposes only, there would be no problems.

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    There is really only one way to pay off a loan quicker. And that is to pay more into the loan as quickly as possible. There are variations on this with offset accounts and LOCs etc, but having a LOC on an investment property would be a disaster taxwise.

    An offset account would be a good idea. Especially if they may need access to funds later on.

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    Eleven – you welcome. We all love talking trusts!

    I think a way to protect assets outside a trust would be for the trust to take a mortgage or 2nd mortgage over property. This could tie up all or most of any equity. As the value increases the mortgages can be increased.

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    Hi Cata

    From memory, this scheme involved using companies that had accumulated losses and stopped trading. The losses were just sitting there wasting away waiting to be offset by a capital gain. So promoters set up various structures where unrelated companies were made into related companies artificially and gains from the trusts were distributed to the companies and tax was avoided.

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    Cata

    I am no accountant but always thought there was no such thing as a ‘Family Trust’. Trusts that are commonly referred to as family trusts are in fact Discretionary Trusts. Discretioanry trusts maybe be classed by the ATO as family trusts later on if a family trust election needs to be declared (ie there are losses or dividends over $5000 pa).

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    Its not something I would do, but I had a client today that wants a PI loan on his investment property. Some people are just more conservative and more comfortable with paying off debt.

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    Yes, me too. If only i purchased that ……..

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    If you are looking for a good solicitor in NSW that is familiar with wraps, try Anthony Cordato http://www.businesslawyer.com.au

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    Or option 3) You buy her out (or she buys you out). There may be stamp duty concessions here.

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    It may come down to size and the actual postcode of the studio.

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    ps. I am not a solicitor so don’t rely on my post as I may be wrong!!!!!

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    Rob

    “Consideration is the price paid for the promise”.

    eg A agrees to sell X to B for $100,000.

    Lets analyse this a bit futher. There are two parts:
    A’s promise to transfer title of X to B.
    B’s promise to pay $100,000 to A

    – B’s consideration for A’s promise is the promise to pay A $100,000 for X
    – A’s consideration for B’s promise is transfer of title of X to B.

    Deposits don’t come into it. And I think there would be a valid contract whether a deposit was paid for or not (provided other conditions were met.

    Accepting a nil deposit certainly wouldn’t be a wise thing to do however.

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    I beleive that there is no set period in which you have to live in a house for it to be your main residence. 1 day would probably qualify – all you have to do is justify yourself if audited. Keeping evidence like changing address with the electoral roll, RTA etc will help.

    I did hear of one case where someone purchased a house using the FHOG and did not atually live there. He just changed his address, got the electricity connected in his name etc and left it there unrented while living with parents. The SRO made him give the grant back, he appealed and lost because the amount of electricity used during this time clearly showed no-one was living there.

    Anyway, if you want to buy and sell within short periods the ATO could deem you to be doing this as a business and therefore you could be liable to pay tax on the profits made. It would probably take a while for them to detect this – if at all, and you would probably have to do a few in a short period of time to be caught out. It is just something else you have to plan around.

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    No. Watchout, that could be bad advice. Wizard obviously do not have an offset account.

    Once you pay money off a loan it is considered a repayment. Any withdraw of funds is considered new borrowings (by the ATO). So if you take money out for personal purposes the interest will not be deductible. If you used an offset, the interet on the loan would rise again when you make the withdrawal and this would be deductible as you have not taken any money from this loan account.

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    Originally posted by hiflo:

    Hi,

    If you are looking for value in conveyancing, you may want to use professional conveyancers.

    And if you are selling a property, without any legal issues you are aware of, I would use a conveyancer because they are cheaper than most solicitors. (But only for Torrens Title & Strata Title). For company title or old system title I would definately use a solicitor who has experience in these type of titles as they are completly different and more complex than Torrens Title.(If you are not in NSW I don’t think you would have to worry about it though,,,,)

    But if you are purchasing I would advise against using conveyancers unless if it is just transferring title between family members, or you are using them just to save your time for doing the conveyance yourself.

    Also, another reason why I wouldn’t use a conveyancer when you are purchasing, is that a solicitor can advise you on which entity to purchase a property because he is at least aware of how CGT, GST will affect different entities and advise you appropriately. If you only intend to purchase one property and keep it as your PPOR you may not need to have a solicitor advise you on such issues. But if you plan to have more than one property then it may be wiser to use a solicitor who can advise you as to what kind of structure is available to purchase a property.

    Currently I am working for a sole practitioner as a junior solicitor and trying to learn as much as I can about conveyancing, tax & legal issues because I also want to get involved in property investing in the future and I am writing from my experiences…..

    If you have any further questions regarding the price of conveyancing in our practice you can PM me.

    Hiflo makes some excellent points there. I too would only use a solicitor.

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    Eleven

    Make sure you get some advice before doing this yourself. A few comments on your scenario above.

    1. The trustee would need to be in existance before the trust is settled.
    2. Why have two directors? It only creates more risk. It is better to have just one director, and possibly one shareholder (as lenders may ask for guarrantees from all shareholders).
    3. You probably wouldn’t be able to claim the interest on your own income unless you used a hybrid discretionary trust and you borrowed in your own name (to buy the units).

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