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Becareful. For taxation purposes, the date of sale is the date of the contract exchange – not settlement.
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No. Just that the laws are different over there, and since most people are aussie here (?) they may not have realised it was from over there
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I would just like to point out the above is from a New Zealand website.
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Hi Richard
Yes, it is an interesting bit. It is funny how he managed to drag Steve’s name into it. (not funny for Steve tho).
This is a link to the case:
http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/disp.pl/au/cases/nsw/NSWCTTT/2005/481.html?query=%22a%22+and+%22feeling%22+and+%22of%22+and+%22unease%22+and+%22and%22+and+%22on%22It makes itneresting reading.
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There is another interesting recent case, Ormiston v FC of T [2005] AATA 978, where a person had a property for 5 years without renting it out. The owner was still able to claim the interest.
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Hi Gross
I am not an accountant, but would think the following:
1) A director does not own a company, just runs it, so there should be no CGT or stamp duty implications
2) Shouldn’t matter where the assets are located. If the company were to sell a house for a profit, then tax must be paid. Location of house would be irrelevant
3) If you sell a company, then you would be selling the shares in the company. If you sell the shares for more than you purchased them, then you would pay CGT.
4) Company regulation is through commonwealth legislation, so the location of the directors should not be an issue.
There may be issues with stamp duty etc, as this is a state issue. May accountant has said to form companies in VIC (less stamp duty) and trusts in QLD (no stamp duty).
I am also not sure what would happen if you purchased shares in a company for $1, and the company then purchased property, the property has risen in value, and then the shares are sold in the company. How would CGT be worked out in this situation?
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You mortgage the new property, the lender will give you a cheque or a LOC etc, and you can use this for the next one.
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Carl
ATO will look at the purpose the funds were used. Title in not relevant in this situation.
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If the bank forecloses, then they can sell your mortgaged property. If you were not cross collateralised, they would still chase you for any shortfall, but you would have the option of raising the money elsewhere.
Another point is, if you current lenders stops lending to you, it can be harder to go elsewhere if all your properties are tied up.
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Soem lenders that will take negative gearling into account are:
Bankwest
St George
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If both are on title, then both will need to be on the loan, or a loan in one name only may be possible, but the other will have to guarrantee that loan. They could for example get a St G portfolio loan with splits in different names
The net result is both are responsible for the whole loan = hurts serviceability.
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Further to Simon’s suggestion, you could also sell your home to a trust, the trust could borrow to buy from you creating a large deductible mortgage.
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Are you saying you buy houses for cash by using your LOC? If so, then this is an excellent way. What you can do then is to get a mortgage on the property, release your money back into the LOC and to go again.
If you can buy well, and/or do quick improvements, you may be able to end up with 100% finance. eg buy for $80,000, do up, value comes in at $100,000, the bank lends you $80,000 against this = all your money back for the next one.
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Tony
Not quiet sure what you mean, but have a look at this post:
https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forum/topic/20340.htmlBTW, a friend in the ATO once said apply for a private ruling is like waving a red flag at a bull.
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Hi Mike
Can I add a question?
Would it be necessary to get the loan agreement stamped by the office of state revenue? (And pay duty?).
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Bank calculators are rather complex, but some work it out similar to this:
Net Salary
Plus 80% rent
for income, and this must be greater than:
Outgoings – total debt payments (sometimes taken as if 8.25% PI loans)
plus, 3% credit card limit
plus any rent payable
plus a living allowance (more if couple, kids etc).Terryw
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Ask them to give you power of attorney so you can sign on their behalf.
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I don’t think that is true. Better talk to a good accountant,
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Hi RAMK
The title would be in the name of the trustee, – trusts aren’t mentioned on title. But the trustee is only the legal owner, not the beneficial owner. If someone is sued, assets properly held in a trust are much safer as they are not the persons personal assets.
If you have a company as trustee, then this usually doesn’t or shouldn’t, hold any assets in its own right. Just in case it is sued. Directors can usually only be sued if they have done something illegal like insolvent trading etc.
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You would technically be self employed and would have to show tax returns for the last 2 years. I spoke to ANZ and St george this week about this topic and both indicated they would look at someone after 12 months.
Homeside appear to be more lenient and will look at someone straight away if they are in the same industry as before and can prove they were earning similar money to before they were a contractor.
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