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    Maybe take the tenant to the residential tenancy tribunal and get a judgment against him for the repairs and cleaning. You can then chase him for the money -using a debt collector if necessary.

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    They have been around for many years – which is not too common in the property industry, so they must not be too bad. But you can probably go it alone and save some money.

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    http://www.truststructuresguide.com.au/

    is another book – lists 13 different types of trusts.

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    There are some great resources out there.
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    http://www.chrisbatten.com.au
    for starters.

    Then there are the books, Dale gatherum goss’ is “trust magic”, very easy to read and understand. There are a few new ones on the market too.

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    Bankwest will lend up to 90% on rural land.

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    Thank you Steve. I am in Bangkok at the moment, but will email you when i get back.

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    My understanding of trusts and asset protection is this (I am not a solicitor or accountant).

    Assets owned via a trust are not owned by the trustees or beneficiaries. So if a trustee is sued personally, their assets in the trust are relatively safe. If they get a judgment against them, their personal assets can be seized by creditors, but the assets in a trust cannot – generally.

    However, if before going bankrupt they sold their house to someone (including a trust) within a certain time frame, this sale can be reversed. This time frame was 6 months but recently the law changed on this – think now 5 years.

    If the trustee has taken a loan out to buy a property, and guarranteed this loan, if the property were to be taken back by the bank (ie foreclosen upon), the trustee’s personal assets will be at risk if there is any short fall. This is because of the personal guarrantee.

    Same with a business. If you are using a trust to run your business, and have a 5 year lease with a personal guarrantee, if the business fails, you will still be personally liable.

    If you are a trustee and have investment properties with problems, the tenant may be able to sue the owner if injured – the trust, and other assets of the trust may be at risk. (this is why some people set up new trusts after a few properties).

    I think the trustee may be personally liable as well in certain circumstances. Hence, some people use a company as trustee, so if that happens, the company can be woundup – it will ahve no assets.

    If you are running a pty ltd company, directors are protected to a certain degree as well. eg you rent a place, without a personl guarrantee, the business fails – you can wind up the company without your assets being at risk.

    But if the director of the company has done something illegal (such as trading while insolvent) then they can be personally sued with their own assets at risk.

    With the family law court, they can look behind the trust to determine the ownership of the assets. So if you control a trust, and get divorced, you spouse may still have a claim on those assets.

    Centrelink are onto trusts as well. If you are trustee, director of a trustee company, or appointer, beneficiary etc, then Centrelink will look at the assets and income of the trust as if they are your personal assets.

    If you are a drug baron, growing marijuanna in your trust owned farm, the property can still be seized by police. etc etc.

    Trusts are certainly not worthless and offer the best form of asset protection.

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    Construction loans are readily available these days, and a duplex shouldn’t be a problem – even with a no doc/ low doc.

    Depending on the value of the land, you could also just borrow against this.

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    Many people use trusts. There are plenty of reasons, positive being:
    – Asset protection
    – Estate Planning
    – Tax savings

    I cannot think of many disadvantages, but one is property in a trust does not get any land tax threshold (so you may pay a bit more land tax).

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    Transferring the property now will incur stamp duty. It may be a way for them to get the pension, but at $420 per fortnight is it worth the hassle and expense – Capital Gains Tax as well.

    Also with trusts, Centrelink, will still deem them to own the land if they are involved in a trust or company that owns the land.

    One thing they should do is look at setting up a testamentary trust, so when they do pass on, the land will go to the trust – keeping it safe, and saving tax.

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    Even if you offer to put them up in a the best hotel in town for a few weeks, it may be worth it. Or buy them a car! (wonder if you could claim this)

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    I think you will have a hard time finding a business type loan. You can get a investment loan based on the security (rather than the buisness idea), but you will need to prove serviceability – which will be hard if not working.

    Probably you will have to settle on some sort of No Doc loan, with a deposit of 20-30% needed.

    Get an ABN now if you do not already have one.

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    A lot of these types of investments go bust with investors losing all of their money. Just have a look at the asic website, http://www.asic.gov.au

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    None will lend 100%. One or two lend up to 95%, but the rates are high, around 9%+.

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    Don’t worry Mal. They will fix it up and it will look better than before – so you can put up the rent!

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    LOCs generally have higher interest rates. Costs are also generally a bit higher, or same as normal loans.

    If you have lousy cshflow, then maybe a No Doc loan is for you. It is possible to get a LOC with a No Doc or a standard loan – sometimes these canbe used like LOCs if they have free unlimited redraw (eg. Macquarie Mortgages)

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    Thanks Derek, but I was thinking more like reserving a certain % of profit to be shared by all staff.

    Finally finished reading that book about the flight centre, and one of the ideas they have is “what gets rewarded gets done”, which makes sense.

    So you might be giving away some profit, but the extra results will more than make up for this.

    Anyone else out there with ideas on how to make it attractive to start without giving away control, and without giving too much.

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    Hi Carl

    I am not an accountant, but have approached various acountants about similar questions over the years. Some say you can capitalise interest and claim this – this is standard practice in many businesses. However thers say it cannot be done.

    One idea is to get a Investment Property IO loan with bank A. You own home loan is with Bank B, and you have a LOC on this property separate to your existing loan. You then pay the interest for your IP loan from the LOC (ie you borrow money to pay interest), you then pay the monthly interest bill on the LOC. At the same time you put all spare money including rent from the IP into the offset account against your home loan – only paying the minimum amount of interest on your LOC.

    This is not similar to the Hart’s case as there are 2 different banks involved, and you are not strictly capitalising the interest on one loan.

    I haven’t tried it, and don’t know it if works, but it sounds good. :-)

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    I suppose it depends on how much and how fast you withdraw the equity. If your portfolio is growing at $100,000 per year, and you only take $80,000 you should be right. But have to plan for years with no growth too.

    Do a search on Steve Navra for his ideas on this topic.

    One potential problem is if you are withdrawing from an investment to fund lifestyle, then die, your estate may have to pay CGT, but the remaining equity may not be enough to cover the CGT.

    Perhaps a good life insurance policy would be a good idea.

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    Yes, you are heading in the right direction. Possibly start off with a trust, and as you progress you can add more layers.

    Just read everything you can get your hands on concerning this topic.

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