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A wrap is just a sale, with a bit of a twist. I guess how long it takes depends on how good you are at onselling. Management should be less hassle than a normal rental as you don’t have to worry about repairs, etc.
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Another point with my idea, is if yu had the IP in the trust, you would be lending the trust money from the LOC, thus creating another laying separating this type of scenario from the Hart’s case. But it is a grey area, so check with your accountant.
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You could possibly consider offering a precentage discount on the market rate in x years time in return for higher rent now.
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I am based in Sydney, but am currently in Thailand for a another week or so.Terryw
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Very good, but where can you buy land that cheap!?
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How big will your loan be?
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No, there is no difference. Don’t know what you mean by being charged on home owner mode. I don’t think there are many lenders out there these days that charge differently for owners and investors.
What the ATO looks at is the interest charged.
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Hi CATA
Yes, a company is safer, but costlier. Each person would have to weigh up the risks of the trustee being sued verses the establishment and annuals costs of having a company.
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If you add someone to the title, it is the same as selling. Stamp duty will be payable on the percentage sold, and CGT would apply. Even if no money changes hands, the ATO would require you to pay CGT as if the property had been sold at market rates. Same with stamp duty.
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A trustee can be a beneficiary.
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Hi Toni
Yes, can buy shares in a trust. Though there are special rules with regards to dividends (family tax elective).
If you are buying a property, the trust must be set up first. Otherwise you will have to pay stamp duty again when transferring it to the trust.
The title goes in the name of the trustee – which may be an individual or a company.
Can buy in different states using a trust.
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Another cost is accounting fees. Hybrid trusts tend to cost more as most accountants do not understand them. I have a client with one property who was paying his accountant $1500 per year to do his and the trust tax return – ( and he discovered the accountant had made a mistake on the last 2 years trust returns).
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You do not need a company set up as trustee, but this adds additional expenses. Cost of company is about $1000. Having yourself as trustee is free with no yearly asic fees, but offers slightly less protection.
Cost of discretionary trust is about $200+ online or $1000+ with an accountant.
Hybrids are generally not available online, but I think http://www.chrisbattern.com.au has them for about $1200+
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nope
that’s why it is not good to use a company to purchase property and other appreciating assets.
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Any other opinions on this topic?
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See this recent discussion
https://www.propertyinvesting.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=23104Terryw
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Without equity or deposit it will be hard.
Some options include:
-100% loan (eg St george)
– Find a vendor willing to lend you the deposit
– Borrow a depositIf you rent out your own home, it may have CGT implications – you can only claim one home as your main residence at one time (except for a 6 month overlap period).
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Originally posted by redspida:Transferring the property now will incur stamp duty. It may be a way for them to get the pension, but at $420 per fortnight is it worth the hassle and expense – Capital Gains Tax as well.
Hi Terryw,
is stamp duty payable even for transfers to family members without any money involved, just change of name on the title?
I thought capital gains tax is not applicable for a prime residency.hi Redspida
You will have to pay stamp duty on the transfer at market rates even if no money is exchanged. And there is usually no CGT on the main residence, but Derek is correct about this being limited to properties of a certain size – which I beleive is only 5 acres. I think this is about 2.5Ha, so they may be up for some CGT. Better check this with an accountant.
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Most low doc loans require the applicant to be self employed for a period of 2 years or more. Evidence of this is the registration of an ABN. So the sooner you get one hte better!
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I am not an accountant, and haven’t looked that the ATO site mentioned above, but I have understood the 6 year exemption is lost totally if you are away from the property for more than 6 years.
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