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You should both probably have insurance. Who owns the building? You do still as you have your name on title, but the other party has purchased it from you, so they have equitable interest. They would want to protect their asset and you your asset. Not worth worried about a few hundered $$$ – if that.
Can you use the equity? Probably yes, but you will be discharging the mortgage on the property at settlement, so you won’t have much time!
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This situation was extremely messed up. I feel sorry for this family. Their accountant died a few years ago leaving them in a real mess too with rates and land tax notices piling up, unbeknown to them they also received a bad credit rating.
There were 4 brothers involved and they purchased their family home to live in with their parents. Since it was their PPOR they should have purchased in their own names. This would give them no CGT and no land tax problems. But having 4 people on title is a bit of a waste of the Main residence CGT exemption. So it would have been preferable to have just one on title.
The strange thing is, one of the brothers owns 4 townhouses in his own name too! This should have been done in a trust structure, or maybe in one each of the other brother’s names.
They could have had the whole thing tax free if planned properly.
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Yep, if your company pays you, then you will have to pay tax if your tax rate is higher than the company rate.
There is no way around this if you only have yourselves as beneficiaries. You could possibly claim some expenses if you could justify this. eg employing other people. company car etc. But if the expenses are not related to the company’s profit making activities, you may have a hard time justifying it.
This is not covered in any of those books to my knowledge.
Ideas anyone?
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Lenders won’t give out this sort of information. It is on the broker web sites, or on the aggregation for broker members.
as a guide the average bank pays 0.70% of the loan amount as an upfront commission. But some of the small ones pay up to 2%!
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I beleive you have to leave permanently. They are wise to many people going overseas termporarily and claiming they have gone forever, so the rules have tightened up. I think you will find this info and the ATO site.
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Each bank has different requirements and different methods of calculating serviceability. So it is possible and sometimes a good move to go to several banks.
If you have everyone with one bank and they say ‘no more’ then you are stuck – especially if cross collateralised. It may be costly and difficult to resolve this.
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They’re not.
However, most lenders offer the same commission rates. It is only the smaller non bank lenders that offer more.
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I used to live in a 6 bedroom house during 1st year at uni. The owner rented each room individually, and didn’t live there himself.
Depending on the size of the place, you may need at least 2 refridgerators, and 2 washing machines.
Watch out for phones. probably don’t need one these days, but if you had a land line who would be responsible for the calls? You!
Electricity, you may be better off paying this yourself, and factoring it into the rent.
Cleaning. Some residents will be cleaner than others, and may resent cleaning up common areas under a shared arrangement etc
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If you are going to struggle, it may be better to sell a property.
If your loans are PI, changng them all to IO may be possible and this may help your cashflow.
Perth seems to be the only place growing at the moment, so it may be better to keep a bit longer if you can afford to do so.
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If you have personal debt, it would be best to make your investment loan IO and to pay any extra funds into the persona loan (the LOC).
Your friend’s suggestion does not make sense. You would be borrowing to pay back a loan. The net result would be the same amount of debt wouldn’t it. It may also confuse things taxwise.
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There are many ways.
1) sell an option on a property, and charge a higher than normal rent. SOme of the rent then goes towards reducing the purchase price the tenant will eventually pay.
2) sell an option, and then give the tenant a discount off any future purchase of the property. eg. pay $x per week and after 1 year you can buy the property for 10% less market value.
3) sell an option on a property, and charge them a fixed price for the property. ie no rent credit. The longer they last as tenants, the cheaper they can buy the property compared to market rates.
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Just another point on your comment on keeping your PPOR if things go wrong.
Having a trust may not help you in this regard. If you are personally sued, then your personal assets are at risk. This will include your home.
Some advisors recomend holding your home in your spouses name (if non working or less risk) or 99% in their name and 1% in your name. This used to be referred to as “woman of substance, man of straw”.
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Hello Mark
It is easy to change a trustee, just a minute will do I beleive.
However, if you have loans in place the loan will have to be redone, and the title to the property will have to be changed to the new trustee. But I beleive there is only a nominal charge for this at the Land Titles Office. (LTO).
Also you would need to probably get some legal advice, especially if the trust already owned assets. In some cases changing trustees may cause a resettlement of the trust. This means a new trust is considered to have formed. If that happens, then CGT and stamp duty may be payable on all the assets held by that trust – just as if one trust sold them to another trust.
Also, having a corporate trustee on a hybrid can make things a bit more complicated when it comes to finance. This is because the title will be in the company name, but the loan needs to be in the unit holder’s name. Some banks have a problem with this.
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What happens next? Well, the money belongs to the company, not you. If you want to use that money yourself you would have to pay yourself a wage (and maybe more tax) or distribute it to the shareholders (again probably yourselves). You could jsut leave the money there, and it is possible for your company to lend money to yourself or to lend money to your trust for more properties. All these loans have to be set up correctly or the ATO could deem them to be dividends and you will have to pay tax on the amounts.
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Hi Mancityfan
You do not need a contract for equitbale interest. Just think of someone married, but the property is in the husband’s name. THe wife will have an equitable interest in the property due to her relationship to the husband.
Also you could have lent money to the owner of the land, have a mortgage over hte land, and I think this would give you an equtiable interest.
But I am not a lawyer, and haven’t studied this – but would like to!
And another point, a option is a contract. (in most states you only have stamp duty on the value of the option contract, not the Contract of sale, when buying a option)
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ANZ will do small towns, even in tasmania at 95% on a full doc.
For low docs, ANZ will do up to 60% almost anywhere. Anything over 60%, you would be looking at mortgage insurer approval and the LMI companies will not accept these areas.
So I think you are basically stuck with full docs in these areas. Or, limit your loans to 60%.
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I’ve just seen a family with big problems at least partially caused by a broker. Since there were 4 family members wanting to buy their house together, the broker suggested they use a company. Unfortuantely they did. So for the past 10 years they have been paying an extra $7,000 pa in land tax, and now when they are going to sell they will be up for a huge tax bill – purchased for $300,000 selling for $1,500,000!! probably around $360,000 in tax unnecessarily. All because of the broker’s suggestion.
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Originally posted by mancityfan:Richard, sorry forgot to ask. If you are never the intended owner of the property, and you are exempt from stamp duty as a result, however, you have negotiated the sale of the property to another party, then are you not in breach of the Real Estate laws regarding licensing.
I understand that if you are in the business of negotiating the sale of Real Estate you must be licensed. Especially in Queensland, where I live.
If you are not negotiating the sale, and argue that you were a beneficial owner at some time, then wouldn’t stamp duty be payable.
Thanks again.
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My understanding is, when you own an option on some land, then you have an equitable interest in the land. Therefore you can buy and sell without the need for a licence, as it is your ‘property’.
Stamp duty would only come into play if you were to settle. You are merely onselling the option.
(ps. What is a Man city? a city full of men?)[blink]
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Hi G.
Don’t get too excited yet!
Some points to consider:
1) In this case, the developer has probably increased the purchase price so he can give a bit back to you.
2) It may be tax free if owner occupied, but if investment it would need to be taken into account when you sell for CGT reasons.
3) Will the developer let you chose the bank and valuation company or will they control the valuations – ie get a friendly one?
Valuers are well aware of rebates, and take these into account. If everyone is getting a rebate, it will probably value in at the amount less the rebate. So will they sell at this price if the value comes in lower than expected?
It may still be a good deal, but be careful with buying off the plan in this sort of market.
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If a company is mentioned, then you can probably distribute (depends on wording and shareholders etc) to the company. The company then pays tax on this money. The company rate is 30%.
Cata, I was trying to say many people often call discretionary trusts “family trusts”. Technically there may be a difference, but this is often the case. see for instance http://www.lawcentral.com.au where their discretionary trust is listed as a family trust.
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