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I think the LVR would depend on the shares. Some shares are considered more stable that others. Probably 70% LVR would be the max, so aim a bit lower, maybe 50% to help you not worry too much about margin calls.
Tax deductibility would depend on the use of the funds, not the security.
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We used to use “Hodder Rook” a lot, located in North Sydney.
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Investor, many banks just do drive bys. These can be good in some ocaisions – if the place is a dump inside, but nice outside.
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Sometimes LMI is unavoidable. It is just a cost of speeding things up. You have to calculate if you think it is worth paying it now (around 2.5% of loan amount for a 95% loan) or waiting to save more and get some more equity.
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Not sure about NZ, but with some lenders here, you can insist on a full valuation so they actually have to go inside.
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Wow!
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Yes, try to use the major banks firstly, if you have no choice then go for the smaller ones. It is not nice to have these fees hanging over you head, just in case you need to refinance in a few years.
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Developers are hurting now. I know of one that is lending the 20% deposit to clients just so he can move stock. Maybe you could ask for something similar, bypass the money partners.
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You can always mortgage the land at a later date. Maybe consider these:
– Sell shares now, pay CGT
– Sell shares now, buy proeprty and reborrow for shares = deductible interest
– keep shares and get a margin loan agaist them
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That is probably on the cheaper side of things for non Bank lenders. Some are up to 3%!
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Generally 7-8% seems the norm. maybe less if you have a few properties with the one agent. But in WA things seem different, prices are much higher there, and they have invented many additional charges.
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I would guess not too. Athough it may depend on how it is currently owned. eg. if a unit trust maybe just transfer the units, if a company, transfer the shares. I belive this will mean little or no stamp duty if the property is under a certain level in value.
Another option may be to just delay it, by delaying settlement. eg. long settlement, wrap or lease option.
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I must say I cannot really understand the ‘multiplication by division’ theory. I am inclined to say the selling costs and purchase costs on the new one will not make it worthwhile – you might as well just keep the property and increase the loan.
Maybe the only time I would do it is if you think the property has had some quick growth and would be in a long period of no growth while other areas are still growing.
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Oh I see now, asset protection issues. It may be safer not to have a loan outstanding as a loan would be a personal asset, and if sued this could be at risk. ie your creditors could call in the loans an get their hands on the money!
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Yes, should be possible. Most lenders would allow this.
But, why cross collateralise? Why not increase the loan on the investment property and lend that money to the trust to use as deposit.
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These units are not in broadway are they? They have been $125,000 for about 10 years now!!
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I’d bet on the cheaper one because of the ripple effect. People that want to live in the expensive suburb will tend to drift over to the cheaper one pushing up prices – hopefully.
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Originally posted by TimC:Just bribe someone from the department of motor registration to get the full name and address….hehe [biggrin]
Tim, a criminal offence! Naughty. These days all access to peoples details are logged and if the employee is caught they would be sacked and maybe worse.
What you could do is get the title and then the transfer, get the names of the owners and maybe the solicitor they used. Write to the solicitor and ask them to pass on your details. Also do other searches such as white pages, electoral roll etc
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Here is an interesting case.
The Trustees of the Property of John Daniel Cummins, A Bankrupt v Cummins [2006] HCA 6A barrister transferred his half of the house to his wife in 1987, he became bankrupt in 2000. The bankruptcy trustee succeeded in undoing this transaction.
see: http://www.tresscox.com.au/resources/resource.asp?id=120
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I think many people get divorced just before going bankrupt. It may be due to the stess invovled with losing everything, but there are also a lot of people out there who do so for asset protection reasons.
I remember a few years ago when many barristers were declaring themselves bankrupt to avoid paying taxes, many had all their assets in the wifes names and got divorced for added protection.
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