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It seems in WA mosts agents charge these sorts of fees – collusion maybe? So getting them waived may be hard, but you should still try.
I think it best to get an agent nearby the property. These days many look for property on the internet (better check that they list on the net too – they may charge another fee for this!), but many renters start looking in windows of agents of the towns they want to live in. So it may be a bit harder to rent if the agent is out of town.
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nearly all lenders lend up to 90 or 95%.
The risk fee you were asked to pay would be similar to LMI which most banks would charge you if you borrow over 80% LVR, so this is not too bad. The exit fees are fairly higher though.
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I missed the comment about the cash!
(if you put the cash into the loan, you may lose deductibility of the interest if it is removed).
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If you have cash, then you can service the loan. Maybe you are concerned that the properties are negative geared?? It seems like they have grown in value over the years, so they may not be such a bad investment.Terryw
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I think you could do this yourself by just letting the interest capitalise or by setting up another LOC and using that to pay the interest, or part of it – maybe the shortfall.
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And the 6 years can start again if you were to move back into the property briefly and out again.
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Selling one would be one option, but if you don’t want to, then,,
You could set up a LOC on your home, use this to pay for the shortfall each month. This is basically what the investors direct loan does anyway.Your LVRs are fairly low so your position is not too bad.
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For good stuff on business, look at the books by Brad Sugars.
What is the total business cost? I think you would generally want to make back your purchase costs in 1-2 years. eg a $84,000 profit = purchase price of between $84,000 to $168,000.
But businesses vary so much, it is hard to generalise.
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I think that it common. It you do the inspections before signing, then they could sell to someone else in the meantime – leaving you out of pocket.
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It is a good idea, but I don’t think it would necessarily add much value to the property or to the rent.
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That would possibly get you into the market quicker. But you would have much higher repayments, so you would need more growth/rent to cover it. You have to work out if you think this is worthwhile. Also consider the effect of a personal loan on your home loan application. will you still be able to qualify? Personal loans have higher rates and shorter periods, making the monthly repayments high – this can hurt serviceability.
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Ihear that the fees in WA are substantially higher than other states. I have seen fees (in eastern states) range from 6% to 8% plus GST, but many put on little extras such as postage, admin, etc etc plus relet fees, inspection fees etc etc.
I don’t know how much you can negoitate with one property. I wouldn’t be too concerned as you will only be saving a few dollars each month. More important is the quality of their service – do they do inspections, chase up arrears quickly etc.
And I would never manage a property myself. I like to get some distance between the tenant and myself, it is easier to put the rent up that way – much harder if you become friendly.
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Originally posted by anandinvestments:I completely agree with you V8ghia….i don’t know why or how the 2 year ABN rule came about but its a real shame because we really do think we’re doing well for ourselves but the 2 year rule is making things 100 times harder than it needs to be.
Our development timeframes are only 12months and thats from the point of signing the contract to the houses either being sold or ready to be placed on the market as a finished home/development site so to refinance in 2 years is not possible for us.
Low Doc 70 would be our last resort but we were just hoping someone would give us a break and bend the rules for us [blush2]
What makes the whole process harder is hearing different bits of info from different banks/mortgage brokers……we go to 2 different branches of the same bank and they’ll tell us 2 different stories and requirements….same with brokers, some say one things almost impossible to do and others say they might be able to work something out for us. Because finance isnt our strong point, it just makes the whole thing a little bit confusing for us but you know what, hubby and i have taken a huge learning out of this and we wouldn’t have learnt what we have had we not been in this kinda desperate position….so we’re grateful in a way and we know that the money will be there at the end of the day even if it means that we may have to go down the path of a less than desirable loan but thats ok. Sorry for babbling on…i’ll stop now!
have a great weekend everyone [exhappy]
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I’ve had many clients that have been knocked back by their own banks, and then I have gotten them a loan with the same bank. Got one at the moment with St G. He went to his location branch and they said no. But he is settling with St G thru me next week. I don’t know why this happens, but it happens a lot.
The same with brokers. Each broker has different levels of experience. Some don’t invest themselves, others are just ignorant of certain products or policies. There are various software packages out there, but they do not help in these sorts of situations. Experience helps a lot in knowing where to place a loan.
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These properties will probably go up in value again. All good locations. Its a hard decision to make.
Can you afford to hold on to them?
Maybe you could sell one to start with and see how you go???Terryw
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You would be liable for tax on the full gain contract price – $100,000 in your eg. But if you had more than 12 months between buying and selling (contract dates) you would be able to claim the 50% reduction, so would only have to pay tax on $50,000.
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Sue the purchaser for the full 10% -and maybe more.
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I am away at the moment, but from memory, ING can do low docs without the 2 year ABN requirement. Another is possibly Adelaide Bank.
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CT, has been done by many. As long as all valuations stack up, the ATO is not missing out – well maybe by a little bit!
I suppose they could argue that it is a scheme designed to minimise tax, and they may have a point – div 4a. But tax is not the only reason, there are asset protection issues and estate planning issues as well.
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CT, has been done by many. As long as all valuations stack up, the ATO is not missing out – well maybe by a little bit!
I suppose they could argue that it is a scheme designed to minimise tax, and they may have a point – div 4a. But tax is not the only reason, there are asset protection issues and estate planning issues as well.
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There may also be a problem if you both were to die togther – how is it determined who died first?
it seems the general rule is it is presumed that the oldest died first unless it can be proven otherwise.
You may be able to specify in your wills what will happen if you both die together.
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I think you would possibly be able to claim the first 6 years of it being rented as still being your PPOR (if you didn’t claim another). So the CGT would be the sale price less value at this time.
eg if worth $400,000 at year 6, then sold for $550,000 at year 10 = a profit of $150,000. Less costs of say $50,000 = $100,000.
Depending on the entity holding, you may get the 50% discount = $50,000 taxable capital gain.
This is what would be added to your income, assuming held in your own name by yourself only. You would pay a max of $25,000 in tax.
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