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Row, refinancing will not help, as the original purpose will be the same – taking money out for the new house.
Selling the house (from husband to you) may be an option, but will be costly. Firstly stamp duty will apply and will be a lot. So you have to weigh up the savings in tax against the cost of this. Plus legal fees, loan exit fees, loan application fees, govt charges etc.
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I don’t think there is any problem with one director – this is generally recommended as it limits the guarantees required by lenders. The trustee is just the ‘person’ that runs the trust.
The ASIC could probably be paid by the trust, as the trustee exists to run the trust in this case and would have no income.
Shareholders cannot be held responsible for the company – generally. If they are making decisions, then they could be liable as they may turn out to be defacto directors etc. If personal guarantees are given then they can be held liable for these of course – some banks want guarantees from shareholders too.
I am not an accountant or lawyer, so seek proper advice please.
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If you have to sell, then I agree that now is not a very good time due to the slump. What about just selling one if you really have to – this will ease the monthly repayments at least.
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I believe ‘corpus’ relates to the capital or principal of the trust. So maybe corpus beneficiary is one who receives the capital of a trust when it is wound up? Just guessing here.
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That sounds correct. The ATO will check what the funds are used for.
You see, if you put money into a loan, you are paying it off. When you take the money out again you are actually reborrowing money – a new loan.
If you had an interest only loan and placed all extra funds in a 100% offset account, then you would have saved the same interest, but would have had access of all the tax benefits which you are now going to miss out on.
BTW, the ATO will only need to see statements if you are audited.
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Depreciation is a cost of holding the asset. The asset is owned by the trust, so it would be the trust that claims any depreciation.
The individual can only claim the interest – because they have purchased income producing units in the trust.
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Do whatever you think will make you the most money. It’s good to get high rents, but I can see no point in buying in country areas myself because of the lack of capital gains. Depends on the areas I guess.
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Hi Dutchie
I agree discretionary trusts are great. But watch out if your properties are making a loss (ie negative geared) as the losses cannot be utilised until the trusts makes a profit. Maybe look into hybrid discretionary trusts if this is the case.
Also trusts are not taxed the same as a business. Trusts no not normally pay tax at all. Trusts distribute all income to a wide variety of beneficiaries who then pay the tax based on their own tax rates. So with careful planning the trust can greatly reduce tax or maybe even eliminate it altogether.
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It may also depend on how many of these you have done. If it is a regular occurrance done in a business like fashion, the ATO could still charge you CGT on your own home. Theoretically at least.
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If your name was added to the loan, the rate would jump to around 10%, this would make a huge difference in repayments. If you want to argue that you are buying a house, your name generally has to appear on title unless you are using a trustee to buy it for you. In which case you will need legal advice.
Maybe you could explain your dilemma to the landlord and ask they let you out of the lease.
Long term, you may be better off with a trust, or your share held in trust – maybe in your daughter’s name. You can then transfer the share at a later date into your own name when the bankruptcy matter disappears = 7 years.
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What state?
I have discussions with a good solicitor in VIC about releasing deposits a few years ago and she declared it was impossible.
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PTN,
You trust is a business, so you can only claim a deduction for business related activity. If you travel relates to the business, then it could be claimable.
Dale Gatherum Goss says you can claim small items and one off gifts that you could not otherwise claim.
You can rent a house form your trust and the trust claim the interest etc, but if you are running at a loss you will need a HDT or other income in the trust to make it worthwhile. ATO will also be looking closely as this, but there are ways around it.
A trust can only distribute profits, not losses.
A trust could buy a car, but you may be betetr off buying it in your own name??
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Originally posted by ctaing:Much obliged Terry.
I’m cautious and don’t have great appetite for debt at the moment. But the experts are touting it the best way forward. My current bank is not one to let up in taking more security than it needs, and I hate paying hefty LMI.
Back to reading more of your posts on LMI; and the legalities of avoiding one by finance through different sources.
Enjoy reading your newsletters, Terry, and wouldn’t mind confirmation on the LMI issue.[blush2]
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Not sure what you mean about the LMI issue?
LMI is generally only paid if the LVR exceeds 80%. However, you may have to pay it on some low docs at lower LVRs.
So if you can borrow the 20% deposit from equity in another property (eg a LOC), then you can avoid LMI. Having a trust doesn’t change this.
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Just apply for a loan increase with your existing lender. Maybe go to 80% LVR as a LOC and have a separate loan to the first. That way you can use the funds for the deposit on the next property and borrow the remainder as another loan. Interest could also be paid from the LOC.
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With a trust the banks only need to take the security as collateral. Same as without a trust. Some banks also want to take a charge over a company if a corporate trustee is involved too – pain the the butt, but I don’t think it affects things much.
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Very interesting Dr X.
Funny about agents calling. A friend of mine sold his unit privately, he put an ad in the paper and specified “no agents”. For the next week he was called by no one but agents trying to get a listing.
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Thanks for that Mcdeyess
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Hi CT
My understanding is that the loan needs to be in the unit holder’s name – which is not necessarily trustee. However, I have seen a few client come to me with it all setup incorrectly, they have the hybrid setup, but have the loan in the trustee’s name, so won’t have any tax advantages.
From what I have seen, if the property in creases in value, the trust has equity. The trust can then borrow more money for further investments. If the individual unit holder wanted to borrow more money, they would probably have to buy more units.
I am not sure of all the finer details of HDT as I am not an accountant and do not use one.
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I am not a solicitor, but would wonder if it is necessary to list either of you as named beneficiaries. Usually trust deeds are worded so that the trustee and appointer and their relatives are automatically beneficiaries. Not sure what legal effects listing or not listing will have.
There may be tax effects too. eg. if you forget to distribute income one year, some trusts are worded so the income is automatically distributed to the main beneficiaries. Probably because the trust would have to pay tax at the top rate. There may be other effects too of which I am not aware.
Better run this one by an accountant?
Also, if your trust is going to be borrowing any money, sometimes some banks was personal guarantees from any adult beneficiary listed in the trust. Something to keep in mind too maybe.
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You may save these fees by selling yourself, but an agent may be able to sell it for a higher price and quicker. This needs to be considered as well.
I have found sales commissions to be around 2.5% of sale price. Some charge extra for advertising, others include it in the fee.
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