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I have all my loans as variable – except one which I did 4 years ago. With fixed rates, you lose flexibility. Exit fees can be high, making it harder to increase loans or move banks. Also the rates are slightly higher than what you would be paying under variable.
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well, if those properties are worth $1,700,000 and say they are growing at 5%, that works out to be $85,000 pa. If they take a small portion of this each year and factor in the added interest they will have to repay, they should be able to keep their properties. They may even be able to retire now.
Steve Mcknight doesn’t like this idea and argues against it in the sample chapter of his new book being sent around.
At least with this idea, they can keep the properties longer, and may be able to supplement the equity with additional income from other areas, hobbies maybe. But you do have to be careful, only borrow a small percentage of the growth, and after it happens.
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Originally posted by vyaw2003:Hello,
This website is all about houses. which return 6-8%, after rates and body corporates. Just covering repayments.
What about these investment bonds i see in the Sydney morning herald. $5,000 minimim 1 year minimum returning 9-12%. Anyone used any of these? Which are the best? Are they no risk (eg. it is just a bank account and at the end i get my money back no matter what). Not associated to the high risk that the invester will use with my money on shares.
Any feedback on this would be good. And i am sorry that this may not be the correct spot for this post….[biggrin]These are not the same thing as bank accounts. The rates are higher than banks because of the risks involved.
I think it was last year that one of these sorts of companies went belly up – many lost their life savings.
Another downside is that you cannot borrow to fund these like you can with property, so this will limit your return as well.
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Hi Graham
Which state do you operate in?
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You would have to calculate what you could get in rent for your place and the tax savings. If you are not going to be saving much, then it is probably not worth disrupting your family.
You can still live in the place and use the equity to invest further.
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I have the exact same problem, and having done anything about it because of the hassle involved. Court order for $1600 in my case.
You need to do all the checks you can think of, including:
– ring references listed on their application for tenancy
– ring last known employer, relatives
– whitepages
– electoral roll
– internet searchSometimes physically turning up at their work/relatives homes can lead somewhere – as they often lie about them not being there anymore.
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But how many are leaving per week?
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Originally posted by Mortgage Hunter:Originally posted by JohnSmith:Good advice there from Simon
just add the preferred way is to say the money within a mortgage, as it is more tax effective.
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My preferred way is to save it within an offset account. Should the funds be used for personal expenditure – and lets face it, sometimes good intentions fail when something needs to be paid for, or even used in an emergency for travel, medical expenses or the like.
Should funds be drawn from a mortgage for personal expenses then this % of the mortgage will never be deductible.
this is easily avoided by using an offset account and the tax effect is identical.
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The only problem with paying deposit for the IP with funds from the offset account is that the interest on the PPOR goes up (as the balance of the offset reduces), and this is not claimable.
What some people do is get IO loans with offsets, then save as much as they can in the offset. When they buy something, they take the money from the offset and pay it into the loan, then make a withdrawal, thus reducing non deductible debt and increasing the amount of interest they can claim.
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Originally posted by foundation:In 20 years the debt will be negligible.A pretty big assumption there. On what do you base this claim?
18 years ago I bought a property for $52K.I see you’ve answered my question. You’re expecting the past to mirror the future…
Fair enough, so we can expect interest rates over the coming 30 years to mirror interest rates over the past 30 years then? An average of around 10.4%?Imagine if I still owed that much against a property worth $300K+ .If you still owed that much, you would have paid out ~$100,000 in interest on the loan. Subtract 30% from the $300,000 because we are still floating near the top of a 30% overvaluation bubble, leaves $200,000 worth of house with $152k in debt and interest, maybe $8 grand in rates & insurance. Now subtract sales costs…
The picture isn’t as rosy as often painted.
$35k in profit for $160k invested over 18 years is exceedingly poor. Term deposits would yield a far higher return.
Remember, over the long term, interest costs EXCEED capital gains.
Of the two options, choose investment. An average IP only needs to appreciate by ~2%pa to pull a profit, a PPOR needs ~5%.
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Foundation, you forgot to include rent in your calculations.
I tend to agree with what your saying however. There is no guarantee that things will be the same as before, especially with rates low. But we can only make calculated guesses – we have to put our money somewhere.
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Many loans are able to do this, or better – capitalise all the interest up to the limit.
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Estate Agents (General, Accounts and Audit) Regulations 1997
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See Part IV, s 58 onwards
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Hi Andrew
I am no expert, but would expect if you did this you would be paying stamp duty on 99% of the value of the property when you switch it over again.
A far better option may be to look at a Hybrid Discretionary Trust to own the property. This will enable you to claim the negative gearing benefits and for your wife to get the capital gains if selling – and the flexibility to change this around and/or distribute to other family members/companies on lower incomes.
Better talk to a good accountant about setting one up.
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Originally posted by paulusi:Terry, thanks for your comments.
yes am highly geared.i cannot just sell one, as you can see the properties are cross-collaterilised to each other, if i sell one i have to come up with CASH to COVER THE SHORTFALL on the other property to make LVR stay at 80%, and i don’t have that much money to cover that. so either sell everything or don’t sell at all
Don’t forget the LVR doesn’t have to be 80% or less, but can go up to 95%, but LMI will be payable – this may help you keep two if you really wanted to.
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Originally posted by row:Thanks Terry for your reply. Seems that our only option to upgrade is to sell our home….
Or just keep it, and change the loan to IO, and just wear the extra payments on the new loan for the PPOR. This may end up cheaper than selling the old one.
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Hi Daniel
My understanding is that original the loan on the property will be deductible. The purpose of this loan was to buy the property. WHen the property becomes income producing, then this loan should be claimable.
But any increase used to buy consumer items or a new PPOR will not as it is not related to money making.
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Yep, since the unit holder is only borrowing 80%, then LMI won’t (usually) apply.- It may be charged on some low docs loans however.Banks won’t perceive it as more risky, same rates etc apply.
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Just relooking at your figures, you are pretty highly geared, but just because your properties are cross collateralised doesn’t mean you cannot sell one or two. You will just need to change the security on the remaining loans. But x-coll makes it messy.
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Hi PTN
I am not an accountant and do not have a HDT, but I think it would work similar to this:
Trust has made a $15,600 income from rent. But there is a $8,000 claim for depreciation. This makes a net profit of $7,600 (assuming no other costs).
This profit would need to be distributed to the unit holder to justify them making money to be able to claim the interest. In the above ex you don’t mention who the unit holder is, it may or may not be the trustee. Anyway, the unit holder gets a trust distribution of $7,600, but has an interest bill of $22,500. This results in a loss of $14,900. They can offset this loss against other income.
In future years rents should increase and this loss will gradually become a profit. At this stage I think the trust can redeem the units, then it can act as a normal discretionary trust and start distributing the income to beneficiaries other than the unit holder.
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You can depreciate items that are used in producing an income, even items that are owned before the production on income. If he has never heard of a depreciation schedule, then he can’t be very knowledgeable about taxation, so you may be missing out on more deductions. ie his/her ignorance may be costing you money.
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