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    BrianN wrote:
    Hi, I am a newbie of this forum and I appreciate your advice on my property investment.

    Currently I and my wife own a PPOR worth 550K valued by bank. The loan balance is 175K.

    We are going to buy a townhouse at around 737K and plan to move in and turn current PPOR into IP.

    I intend to refinance the loans with another bank as follows:

    – Set up IO loan for current PPOR and P&I loan with offset a/c for the townhouse
    – Transfer the accessible equity of PPOR (550*80% – 175) = 265K to offset account
    – After paying 20% deposit of 147.4K plus 33K stamp duty and other fees we will have about 84K in offset account
    – The IO and P&I fortnightly payments will be debited from this offset account

    My questions are

    – Is this the best way to structure the loans in term of tax?
    – As the bank valued PPOR at 550K, I dont need an extra valuation for CGT purpose if I decide to sell it after more than 6 years, do I?
    – If I sell it, for instance, 12 years later for 700K will CGT be (700-550)* 6/12* 50% discount = 37.5K?

    Thanks for your advice.

    Brian.

    The interest on the $265,000 loan will not be deductible. But it may still be worth doing, but make sure this loan is a separate split. so you don't contaminate the existing loan on the property. $175,000 loan should be deductible.

    You cannot use the main residence CGT exemption because you will be claiming the new house (or claim old house and not knew house).

    If your house is in VIC you may be able to buy the house off your wife with no stamp duty and borrow the lot. This will create a large deductible loan with a large cash deposit for the new house. Will save you heaps potentially.
    But watch out for asset protection and estate planning issues.

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    If your intention is to hold then generally CGT would apply. If you want to just build and sell then generally income tax.
    CGT would be sale price less cost base. If over 12 months then 50% discount may be available.

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    Good news Paul

    ps when are you coming to Sydney again?

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    One loan being refinanced with another

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    if they don't defend it in court, then could be quick. file a statement of claim, wait 28 days get a judgment and then try to get the money – but then they may apply to set aside the judgment. Or more likely, they will just pay.

    Of once they are served court judgments they will just probably pay. If they want to fight it then maybe 6 to 12 months.

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    The strata fees are a debt and if they aren't paid the strata corp can take the owners to court and get a judgment. Once a judgment is obtained they can then proceed to recover the monies owed such a seizing property (with court orders) etc.

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    Harry,

    Good in theory again, but very hard to implement. Why would a partner take all the risk and give you a bit of the profit?

    You could use a unit trust (to take part of the risk) and protection your ownership position. But there are many things to cover.

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    Its possibly tax deductible, and so are the proceeds if paid out.
    If it is added to the loan you will be paying interest on it too.

    But that sounds like a high premium so I suggest you get another quote.

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    IO will usually automatically revert to PI at the end of the IO term.

    You can then, or before, approach the bank and ask them to extend the IO term.

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    It may be good in theory but you will find it extremely difficult to find a lender willing to lend to you when you are borrowing money from the vendor to complete the sale.

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    Gluttons for continuing education points too.

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    If you use cash then you cannot take out a loan to refinance this – and claim it. ie the interest on the extra money borrowed wouldn't be deductible as it wouldn't relate to the property.

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    hi Richard,

    Good question. I am working with structuring and setting up estate plans for people and loans are a big part. There are so many silly brokers out there and so many people are simply throwing their money away by paying too much tax because they haven't got a simple part of it correct. Now I can give tax advice and legal advice and credit advice and SMSF advice, but will leave out the financial advice for now.

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    Whats going on Jamie? Why is everyone leaving?

    I am just about to become a broker again.

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    Carl, you are throwing money away!

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    Or

    Set up a LOC on the PPOR and use the LOC to pay for the initial  deposit/costs so that you only need to borrow 80% under the main loan. This will avoid cross collateralising the loans and also avoid LMI. Why didn't he suggest this? he could have cost you $7k.!

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    heaps of issues with smsf. You would be unable to stay in it if you purchase in the SMSF. You would also likely to have problems building.

    Since you will be owner building and have a bit of equity you might consider buying the land with an 80% LVR loan and then setting up a LOC on the PPOR and using this to complete the build. Once the project is finished yo may be able to increase the loan on it for further investing.

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    There is a tax ruling which you could rely on to fix things now. If you can demonstrate how much of the loan is related to investment v non investment you can split the loan.

    So what you hsould do is to split the loan into 2, one being the investment portion and one being the personal portion. You can then add on a LOC separate to these for the next purchase. This should only be used to pay the deposit and costs and then the main loan for the next portion be set up as a separate loan at 80% LVR interest only.

    If you are in Sydney I may be able to help – soon – I am a solciitor and soon to be mortgage broker.

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    Yes, def don't use a LOC for a standard loan because of the tax issues. If you do you will be left wtih a large loan with none of the interest deductible. Only use a LOC for deposits and other IP costs.

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    kong71286 wrote:
    Interest earned from your savings is taxed, whereas interest saved from your loan is not

    For instance if you have $100,000 savings@6% interest p.a., and are at the marginal tax rate of 30%, then you would earn $6,000 per year, but then be taxed on $1,800 and be left with $4,200

    On the other hand, if you were to place that money in the offset account @ 6.7%, you would save +$6,700 p.a. and this would not be taxed, so you would be better off by $2,500 per year (minus the costs associated with an offset account)

    Kong, this is an offset linked to an IP. So any reduction in the interest payable on the IP loan would lead to more income. This means the negative gearing effect will be less, or the positive income more. This in turn equals more tax.

    However, it still may work out better to put into the offset account.

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