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    mcgrandles wrote:
    not sure if this will help —- i was told that my son could only  borrow up to $70,000  for a home loan and he would qualify for the FHOG he would then become part owner of the property – told any other way can become a legal nightmare  

    Would you mind rephrasing this????

    Are you saying someone recommended your son buy a property with others? If so he would only qualify for the FHOG if all the other purchasers also qualified and they would only get one FHOG between them

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    Possibly not without any income.

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    Yes, i agree Richard. In fact I said almost exactly the same thing in a PM exchange with V.

    The DST is still worth considering, but maybe down the track.

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    Don't think that is a good idea Hank – or even possible. Victoria's brother has a disability and is in need of a carer. If he has an intellectual disability then it wouldn't be possible for him to act as a director.

    A special disability trust would be much more advantageous because of the ability for the house to be owned by the trustee of the trust and be CGT free. This is not available with discretionary trusts. There are also land tax exemptions which may be available.  The trust is even able to retain income and have it taxed at the beneficiariary's income tax rate – whereas it would be taxed at 46.5% with a discretionary trust.

    Victoria even if you don't use the SDT to purchase property now you should nevertheless  look to set one up for your brother so he can take advantage of tax and other benefits.

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    Victoria – make sure what you read about SDTs was currently. I think the legislation only changed this year.

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    Richard, Do you think Victoria could borrow as a trustee for a SDT with her brother as beneficiary?

    As i type I am thinking and they may have a problem with no rental income, and other restrictions associated with the trust….?

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    CHris, i am not following totally.

    If you transfer ownership you are out of the picture. WHen you evenutally sell the partner will be up for any CGT and may not be able to claim an exemption for yourshare if he didn't live in that share and establish it as his main residence. He may also miss out on claming the exemption on the other share of the house that he owned from the beginning if you had claimed a main residence elsewhere during the same time period .

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    Have you considered doing both?

    Buy a main residence, live in it briefly and then move back home and rent it out.

    Claim all associated costs and retain the CGT exempt status.

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    You will probably be exempt from land tax on the NSW one. You will need to look into the land tax requirements for ACT to see if you need to pay land tax and if there are any exemption provisions for absence from main residneces (assuming it was a main residence before). I don't know anything about ACT and land tax.

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    Yes, the land tax office needs to know. They have different criteria too.

    In NSW there is a 6 year exemption for absence from the main residence but it is much more complex than the income tax version. Very hard to qualify for too.

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    Partners – as in spouses – can only have one main residence between them.

    CGT is calculated at market values too so when you transferred your interest to him you would be up for CGT on amrket value at the time of the transfer – unless the exemption applied.

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    I have had a PM from Godhav re a separate matter and and I think he or she is legitimate.

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    Interesting Hank, I own a company with a similar name – The Loan Experts Pty Ltd.

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    Yes, you can only claim one place as your main residence at any one time. But the election is when you do the tax return after you have sold one. So you should work out which one to claim so that you save the most tax.

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    You need specialist advice.

    There have been some recent amendments to the laws relating to special disability trusts. If your brother qualifies you could set up a trust for him and the house could still receive the main residence CGT exemption and not count towards his centrelink assets test. I am not sure if any lender would lend for this though, it is worth finding out. Also not sure about the other family members living in the trust house and thereby benefitting – they may need to pay rent to the trust for their share of the house. But this rent could be tax free to your brother. Up to a certain threshold he would not pay tax and it would not reduce any centrelink benefits.

    Another option is to purchase in your name and then rent the property to your parents. You could live in the house briefly and then move out and thereby qualify for the main residence CGT exemption. You may also be able to claim any losses against your income – which sounds high. So this may work out well.

    You need to do some careful planning.

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    Depends on a number of things.

    What is ideal from a tax point of view my not be ideal from an asset point of view or land tax or stamp duty etc.

    Some things you could look at:
    Individual – get the CGT exemption if main residence

    Discretionary trust – greatest flexibility, but not able to use any losses to offset your personal income and will pay more land tax in most states.

    Fixed Unit trust – may be able to borrow to buy units and claim interest, may get land tax threshold. No asset protection. But may be able to move units to a discretionary trust later on with no stamp duty.

    Company – not recomended for tax reasons (unless acting as trustee).

    Also consider finance – hardest is the unit trust.

    Also consider succession – if you die trust assets don't form part of your will

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    Yes, you will pay stamp duty and so will the end purchaser.

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    If there was no section 32 attached to the contract at the time of the contract being entered into then the purchaser may be able to rescind the contract under certain circumstances. So best to seek legal advice asap.

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    Poor Josef

    His first post too. Bet he won't be back – or back under that name at least.

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    Josef wrote:
    Hey Mate, There is absolutely no benefit in having an offset account if its your PPOR. You should be able to have a redraw facility on your home loan which is pretty much the same thing. The only benefit of an offset account is for investment properties as this offsets the interest you pay on your home loan and still gives you a tax break from your property if its negatively geared. Not blowing my own trumpet but I deal with these accounts and open them up for clients on a daily basis. Having said that having an offset account on your PPOR won't hurt you but there is no real benefit.

    I think your trumpet needs tuning!

    Think about this logically.

    What if the person were to use extra funds to pay down their home loan and then decide to move out and rent it and to buy a new PPOR?

    There would be a huge tax disadvantage.

    Also, where is the person supposed to keep their spare cash? in an offset on an investment? this would save them interest which would be deductible and thereby cost them more in tax. Best to have the offset on the non-deductible debt.

    For what its worth, I would suggest the OP get an offset and pay all spare cash into it. Ideally then borrow against the PPOR and set up a different split to use a deposit for the investment. If there is not enough equity then maybe have to pay down the PPOR loan a bit.

    Having the offset makes it more flexible.

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