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    You can never have too much equity!!

    If you have a house fully paid off then you are in a really good position. If you have an average income then you should be able to go far.

    Slow but sure. Make sure you set up your strategy and structure yourself to maximise benefits.

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    And it may not be acceptable to the other 2 as the director is the one that controls the company. But worth considering.

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    KeyStrategies wrote:
    Terryw wrote:
    Trusts can be set up and run pretty cheaply, but they are complex and usually cost money in getting tax and legal advice down the track.

    There would also be stamp duty on transfers to the trust. It is probably not worth doing for equity of $100k.

    If the main residence is in VIC then you may want to look at one spouse buying out the other as this could be done without stamp duty. This can increase borrowings and free up cash for the new PPOR.

    Terryw

    I like your thinking – paying unnecessary Stamp duty is painful – I am looking at selling a property between my Trusts and its going to cost around $10k (in QLD) just working out if it will be worth my while.

    Key, why are you transferring between trusts?

    If only you had held the property in a unit trust – you could then just transfer the units, possibly without stamp duty too

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    You can change settlement dates if they agree. If the contract is conditional then you may not be in so much strife. Best to work out a new settlement date before it goes unconditonal as you will have more leverage over them.

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    You are in a very dangerous situation. If you do not settle on time you could be served with a notice to settle and then you will have just 14 days (usually) to settle or you could lose your 10% deposit and be sued.

    The vendor may be ready to settle on their new property on the day you settle on theirs. You not settling could have a domino effect.

    What state is the property in?

    I don't mean to scare you but read this case:
    South Sky Investments Pty Ltd v Luppi  [2012] QSC 27
    http://jade.barnet.com.au/Jade.html#sy=261412

    The purchaser did not complete the purchase and was ordered to pay more than $400k in damages to the vendor.

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    This will depend on  a lot of factors.

    Probably a fixed unit trust with a company as trustee. There should be only 1 director – why have more than 1 when not needed, it just creates extra risk.

    Each person can have their nits held by a discretionary trust if they choose.

    You must consider a whole load of things before setting this up though. The most important being finance – if you cannot get a loan in the structure then there is no point.

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    You should have used a solicitor who could have added the extra conditions. Its too late now if you have signed contracts.

    At least go and see the property and do the final inspection. Take details notes and photos. Check to see if appliances (the ones you will own) work.

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    You should have special conditions in the contract and then do a final inspection before settlement.

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    You are lucky – in QLD there is no stamp duty on the trust formation. in NSW it is $500.

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    If you already own the land then you won't be paying GST. But when selling new property you would have to charge the purchaser GST if you sell within 5 years. There may be ways around this.

    You should seek the advice of a tax person.

    A development company may need to be a registered builder too. You should look into the licencing requirements.

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    Trusts can be set up and run pretty cheaply, but they are complex and usually cost money in getting tax and legal advice down the track.

    There would also be stamp duty on transfers to the trust. It is probably not worth doing for equity of $100k.

    If the main residence is in VIC then you may want to look at one spouse buying out the other as this could be done without stamp duty. This can increase borrowings and free up cash for the new PPOR.

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    Invest is myanmar real estate! Watch it take off.

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    Hi Joe

    Just worried that you will be missing something if you do it yourself. The contracts for NSW and other states are standard. But that doesn't mean nothing needs to be added to them. Special conditions are in each contract that I have seen. So if you do it yourself how are you going to draft these special conditions? How are you going to know if a search you have included is valid and therefore how do you know your contract is even valid?

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    Anand – how long have you been a broker?

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    Joe, what about my comments? Seems you don't understand.

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    I haven't seen any banks require building and pest inspections before.

    And there is no requirement for you to get one to purchase this one. It is recommended though.

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    g0biin wrote:
    Hi Guys
    I have asked this question before, however I wasnt satisfied with the answers. But maybe thats because I didnt ask the right question.
    So here goes again/
    I read in API mag the following.

    "Another way smart property investors protect their assets is to buy them in the correct ownership structures to legally minimise their tax and protect their assets. Most wealthy property investors own nothing in their own names, but control their assets through companies or trusts." 

    Can anyone explain how I might be able to do this when I am buying cheaper cash flow properties ? lets say a property under $200 000 renting for $280 to $300 per week.

    I have been told by my accountant that because the return isnt  over 70 000$s a year is not worth having my assets in company or trust structures.

    Hope that make sence.
    Thanks
    G

    Sounds like your accountant doesn't understand structures very well – or you have misinterpreted him/her.

    It is certainly not a good idea to use a company to hold appreciating assets for a number of reasons.

    A discretionary trust is totally different however.

    a mere profit of $2000 in a trust could make it all worthwhile. eg. a property in your name at the top rate rate with a $2000 profit could result in almost $1000 in tax. Whereas if it was in a trust could result in no tax at all.

    Then consider the future growth as well.

    As for asset protection it is not just as simple as setting up a trust it is but how it is set up and how you use it. I can think of around 10 ways that a trust could be attacked if done incorrectly.

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    Michael

    A bit incorrect there. A trust is not really a separate entity. Legally a trust is the trustee. ie if a trust is sued it is the trustee that is sued. So a trustee can be personally at risk – this is why a $2 company is generally used. A trustee is often indemnified out of the assets of the trust. So a A is sued as trustee for the trust and there is a judgment awarded against A, A has to pay it. A can do this by calling on the assets of the trust. If the assets of the trust are not enough to satisfy the judgment then A's personal assets are at risk.

    However, for tax purposes a trust is treated as a separate entity – so lodges a separate tax return.

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    If you know a lot about property law you could draft your own contracts. But what if you leave something important out and then go to your solicitor after the purchaser has signed – you will be locked into a costly mistake maybe. eg. You come to the settlement period and the purchaser says they don't want to proceed now and is rescinding. You having relied on the money from this sale coming through to settle on the next one and then that falls over too.

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    keiko wrote:
    Doing up a contract is basic. you could stop into a local agent and ask for a copy of a sales contract but most times they will try get you to sell with them.
    Next option would be downloading one of the net for maybe $20
    I get mine from REIQ, I'm not sure if the same company does them where you are.
    To sell your property I would recomend finding a good agent but if there is none around then yea I would sell it yourself, by using an agent they could possibaly get you a better price than what you could achieve by doing it yourself.

    Do you really do this?

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