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In that case, then since the first property and the second property will become an IP it doesn't really matter which way you go. You would take the money from the offset or from the paying in and redraw.
Is there any chance one will become a main residence at some stage? If so you may want to aim at reducing this loan and maximising the other.
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Sounds crazy. You would be giving too much away for little return. My aggregator provides all those services too – for free mostly
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Ideally
1. no
2 no
3 noBorrow the deposit if you have the equity.
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New drawings = new borrowings so if you borrow for investment the interest should be deductible.
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You could possibly avoid CGT depending on the circumstances
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That was the trust. The trustee is a separate issue.
The trustee can be a person or a company (or combo). A company needs to be registered with ASIC as Luke mentioned.
There used to be an advantage to register a company in VIC. This involved stamp duty savings.
For the trusts some promotors reckon setting up in South Aust is the best because this is the only state not to have a life limit on trusts. Elsewhere trusts can only last 80 years max and then their assets must be transferred to beneficiaries (CGT and stamp duty).
But the law is unclear if SA can really produce trusts with unlimited life. What needs to be done is unclear. I would think the trustee would need to be resident of SA as the settlor and possible the trust assets must be located there.
You should seek advice before setting up a trust as the legal ins and outs are very complex
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Trusts are usually set by by a settlor giving a trustee $10 or so and asking them to hold it on trust for a group of beneficiaries. The terms of the trust are documented in a deed and this deed governs the actions of the trustee and specifies what they can and cannot do – such as borrow money, mortgage trust property, invest in businesses etc
The deeds are not registered. It is just a private arrangement really. In some states such as NSW stamp duty must be paid on the deed and this is $500 if the settled sum is just $10 or a nominal amount. This is done at the Office of state revenue. You post or take your deed there and they will stamp it on the spot. They don't read it or keep a copy.
Where a deed needs to be stamped will depend on the location of the parties. I think the rule is that if any one of the original parties residies in NSW then the deed needs to be stamped here, eg settlor, or trustee etc
Each state has its own legislation regarding trusts – Trustee Act in NSW, Rules are different in each state too. So the trust deed needs to specifiy the governing laws – ie which state. This is separate from the stamping and could be different.
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JT83 wrote:Evening all,
For all-I can confirm (through my discussions with my accountant) that in a situation we described above – where you move out of your PPOR and the rent another home you will not pay CGT if you sell it for a 6 year period after vacting it. The ATO still considers it to be your PPOR for that 6 years provided you do not purchase another home to live in . The story changes if you do that.Cheers
JT
Not in all situations.
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I believe that trustees do get a separate land tax threshold in qld but am not sure on the details. In Nsw a discretionary trust gets no threshold so using a trust may result in more land tax there.
Trust assets don’t belong to you. So they don’t form part of your will. You need extra planning on succession with a trust when you die but there would be no cgt or stamp duty. There would t be any either if held in your own names. One advantage in your own name is that Eli could pass on to your kids in their own names so that they could live in the house cgt and or to a testamentary trust at death which may have more tax advantages.
Many other things to consider too
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I suppose market rates would have been paid for the 'business' – whatever this was.
The liquidator will probably do little investigation without the creditors funding it. Investigations cost money which means less money for creditors.
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You haven't given enough information to make an informed assessment.
But, think long term. Consider all issues, such as land tax, income tax, CGT, death, asset protection etc.
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Would depend on the terms of the contract. Possibly buyer would be locked in.
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C2 wrote:TerryPm sent but will be oz end of GW for about 2 weeks.
Zmagen, thanks for the clarification. Mainly Northern Kyushu for now but will probably change after the next 2 month holiday.
Will send pm with contact details and happy to catch up anytime.C2 no pm received.
I will be getting into Osaka next tuesday
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You can't. (legally) unless your SMSF is purchasing.
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That book is misleading. Structures don't really help like that.
If you want to plan on maximising borrowing cap then best to speak to a finance broker
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No Australian lender would
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Dont do it that way. You will be putting yourself at great risk.
There may not be any stamp duty at all, it would depend on what the assets are and the State the business is located in. Your solicitor can advise you. So changing the trust and causing a resettlement may not be a big issue from a stamp duty point of view. But there is also CGT to consider.
What you should be concerned about it legal liability. How do you know there are not legal issues which haven't arisen yet? You could enter a contract for the current people to indemnify you, but what if they went bankrupt. An extreme eg maybe but what if the commpany didn't pay GST for the past year. You jump on board and they ATO gives the company a bull for $200k. Company cannot pay so they may come after the director – which could be you.
Take my advice and seek legal advice about this. You will not find a solicitor who would recommend you take over a discretionary trust and trustee company. It would be costly to set up too. You would have to change directorships, share holdings, trustees maybe, appointors and beneficiariies.
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Sounds like you misunderstand trusts.
As Luke said you could buy the company, but the company is only the legal owner and the ultimate owners are the beneficiaries of the trust. You probably are not a beneficiary and if that is the case it will cause you serious problems as the trustee cannot distribute any profit to you or your family.
You could get around this by amending the deed. But this is likely to mean the trust is converted into a new trust and stamp duty and CGT on all the assets of the trust.
It is also very dangerous to buy a company – you will be taking extreme risk with any legal liability that may arise. That company may have entered into a contract for example and if you take over the company will be bound.
What you need to do is to buy the business and to set up your own company and trust to take over the existing lease and assets etc.
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Using a trust makes it easier to get finance in this regard as you can introduce income guarantors easily without having to change title. This is especially good if down the track, after owing the property, if one person was to get a credit blemish.
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PropertySeeker wrote:Hi everyone,I'm at a point where land tax is becoming a problem, I have been reading about Discretionary Trust aka Family Trust and how it may help to reduce land tax? Can someone give me a brief idea how this would work?
Thanks
PropertySeekerDiscretionary trusts won't help reduce land tax, in NSW anyway.
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