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    Yes. they can't demand payment.

    yes, a beneficiary cannot influence or control a discretionary trust (unless they are also the trustee).

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    Liz, you must use one security per loan or you will be cross collateralising.

    This may be a pain if you have 10 properties with $10,000 available equity each, but it is worth it I think,

    To see the dangers of crossing look at this thread where someone has sold a house but the bank won't release it because the other house remaining has reduced in value:

    http://somersoft.com/forums/showthread.php?t=79661

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    Setting up a trust won't prevent conflict because there will still be decisions to be made by the trustee. So C could not like these decisions and complain to A – but be not able to do anything legally because a beneficiary of a discretionary trust has no right to income just the right to be considered.

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    I would consider that I paid $50,000 too much if that was the case.

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    Steven,

    Unless person C is disabled he or she cannot be a beneficiary of a SDT. B can if B is disabled – under the definition in the act.

    Setting up trusts costs money. You need advice as well. It may be expensive but the tax savings and Centrelink benefits will make it worthwhile – plus other benefits such as estate planning, asset protection and the fact knowing that the disable relative will be looked after if the trustee or parents etc die first.

    Whether you have other trust for non disabled persons to benefit is a different matter to consider.

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    Sure
    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ssa1991186/s1209m.html

    Also check out the division in general:

    PART 3.18A----PRIVATE FINANCIAL PROVISION FOR CERTAIN PEOPLE WITH DISABILITIES             Division 1--Special disability trusts

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ssa1991186/index.html#s1209m

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    Trustees cannot be beneficiaries of an SDT for a few reasons:
    – An SDT is a special trust that is defined in legislation
    – An SDT is set up for the disabled person to benefit and must have only one beneficiary (i think)
    – A trustee cannot hold something on trust for himself – there would be no trust as the defintion of a trust is A holding property for B.

    Generally a trustee can be a beneficiary of a discretionary trust or a unit trust – but not the only beneficiary.

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    Person A has a spouse and is married to someone else?

    I think a SDT can only have one beneficiary and that beneficiary has to be disabled as defined at s1209M of the the Social Security Act. A and C could be trustees though.

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    Istvan051 wrote:
    What if you have an investment house worth 700,000 then how do I insert 578,500 only into this?

    Possibly you could transfer a % to the trustee of the SDT and yourself as tenants in common. But then you have to watch out for capital growth down the track.

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    Istvan051 wrote:
    I also understand retained income. If the trust earns 20,000 and I receive 15,000 then I and the trust will both pay tax on this 20,000.

    You would pay the tax on $20,000 i think. A disability trust only has one beneficiary and that beneficiary is entitled to all the income so even if not distributed to them it is still attributed to the beneficiary

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    I think you have mixed up a few things:

    There may be a CGT exemption for assets gifted to a SDT.
    A pensioner could gift up to $500,000 to a SDT for a family member and not have their pension affected.

    Assets of the trust up to $578,000 are not counted towards reducing the centrelink payments of the beneficiary. The main residence can be held in the trust and this doesn't count either. CGT can apply too for the main residence.

    But income from the trust is taxed in the hands of the beneficiary. Retained income is too – ie income that isn't distributed.

    The beneficiary would have the same tax rates as every other residents I believe.

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    i would only use a LOC secured on your current house and then use this as deposits with the main loans for each new property being IO loans.

    With that approach all the securities would be cross collateralised which is not good.

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    jmsrachel wrote:
    Correct me if I'm wrong but I think you have to pay land tax on any land worth $200k or more. The more its worth the more you pay. Dead money really.

    Not so!

    In NSW it is more like $396,000 – the main residence is usually exempt and doesn't count to the threshold.

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    Hi Paul

    Excellent answer from Tony Cordato.

    I suppose you could also fax is a discharge request with a settlement date of 14 June 2042.

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    Mayuran wrote:
    I have variable interest only loan . how do I pre pay the interest ? just transfer extra money into home loan ? or is there a special procedure with the bank? Thanks Mayuran

    Transferring extra money into a loan will result in the repayment of principle.

    You have to change your loan to a 1 year fixed and pay the interest up front. Probably too late for this year if you haven't begun the process yet.

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    One idea (or 2) behind using IO is to use as little cash as possible for investments so that:

    1. You can pay off your own home sooner, and/or

    2. Invest in more properties.

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    Keep in mind if you sell a property with an existing mortgage you will probably be breaching the standard loan agreement you have with the lender.

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    Have yous considered  if you dont fix and prepay again next june you will have a higher tax bill next year. ie you will have rental income but not much in deductions.

    Also most are suggesting rates may fall again in the near future.

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    No, it was supposed to drop to 29% next financial year, but this was scrapped in the recent budget so I don't see them going to 25% anytime soon

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    Its probably CGT exempt then.

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