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    bardon wrote:
    It sounds complicated but its not all the banks do it and its just plain vanilla unit trust, you dont need a financial planner but I would recommend a tax agent though.  Just check if you can refinance the whole amount and get it into your name without incurring stamp duty as Terry W suggested and that would be better way to go, no trust and no Stamp duty. I am in QLD and the trust option was the only way I could make it work up here by having an arms length transaction that would massively increase the borrowings on the property.  From $56k up to $740k.

    Terry, do you know if raj can increase the borrowings in his own name up to the total value of the property with half of the property going back to him ie can his current share of the lending also be increased and classified as an investment in that property.

    a Borrower cannot just increase their loan and get the deductions. The money needs to be purchased to acquire an income producing asset – such as buying his wife's share. But VIC is one, if not the only state that allows spouses to transfer between themselves without stamp duty – whether for investment or main residence.

    In NSW this would only work if there was no consideration and if the wife or husband was being added to title of the main residence.

    BTW, I think this is a major reason to invest in property in VIC. Imagine transferring the property back and forth several times over the years as the value increases with this allowing you to pay down the debt on the main residence (but watch out for Part IVA).

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    raj_paras wrote:

    @ Derek & Terryw – I do live in VIC. The house is owned jointly by my spouse and I. Would the spousal transfer still work for my situation.

     

    Its more important where the house is!

    If the house is in Vic then you could transfer your interest to the wife or the wife's interest to yourself without stamp duty – or maybe $50.

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    What state is the house in and do you have  a spouse?

    If it is in VIC your spouse can buy it off you for full market value and stamp duty can be avoided. She/he can borrow to do so and this will release cash funds to be paid for the new home and allow the spouse to claim all interest when the property is rented out.

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    Some lenders would treat this as resi and some as commercial.

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    lukeclayton wrote:

    Regarding the quote “You establish an exact loan balance as at the time the property becomes income producing. This then becomes the full amount of the investment loan. The original loan amount, current as at the time you purchased the property, is not relevant.“ .

    Where did you get this quote from?

    It is grossly incorrect!!

    You can only deduct the interest on the amount of the loan associated with the money borrowed to purchase that loan.

    On the face of it the $300,000 loan may be the portion relating to the original loan associated with the purchase. But you mention using redraw, so if your loan balance ever dropped below this amount then it would be more complex depending on how you conducted the loan. At the very most it would be the minimum loan amount that the loan achieved. But it could be even less if you were putting money into and pull out of the loan again.

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    Real estate agents usually exaggerate, so knock off 10% on what they have quoted and that may give you an idea of the value.

    ALso keep in mind this is the sub-divided value whereas you have one block at this stage.

    Without looking at serviceability you could get up to 80 or maybe 90% of the value of the existing block, before sub-division. From this deduct you existing loan. This would be the amount of equity you could access to use as deposits.

    For the new purchase you would then go and get a 80 or 90% lend with another (or same) lender.

    Servicing may be tight as no income is coming from the land and you may be assessed as paying nominal rent depending on your circumstances.

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    Yes. Third party from the beneficiaries point of view because they are using someone else's equity

    This could be done by the trustee borrowing and I lending money or the beneficiary borrowing and using the trust property to secure the loan.

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    The equity would belong to the trust so it would be third party from the beneficia

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    Yes, if the deed permits.

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    You should change your loan to interest only if you are going to use the place as an investment. This will lower the loan amount.

    You could get under 6% with offset accounts – 100% offset

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    Dave

    You have repaid $60k. Taking it out will be new borrowings and deductibility will depend on what it is borrowed for.

    2 loans is not much bargaining power, but you should be able to get a much better rate than this.

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    I think the requirement to get the FHOG is that you live in the property within the first 12 months. Don't think there are any restrictions on renting out part of it.

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    Consider asset protection now before doing anything. Which names on title, how it is funded, ways to protect your cash deposit etc.

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    Start planning ahead. Do you have other assets?

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    You shouldn't be holding large amounts of cash in your personal name. Too dangerous and tax disadvantages.

    Consider gifting to a discretionary trust and borrowing back to purchase property.

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    Depends on the accountant.

    What do you want to see them for? What do you want advise on? Structure? Names? Tax consequences of borrowing in one name and purchasing in 2 names?  Tax deductions?

    A lot of this can be easily worked out yourself to get a general idea and then see the accountant for specific questions. They will probably be charging you by the hour so you don't want to waste your money.

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    If you were working overseas and earning in that currency that you are borrowing in then it is possible. eg. NAB Japan used to lend up to 70% for aussies working in Japan at around 2% secured by Australian property. many conditions though.

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    slowachiever wrote:
    Hi folks ,

    I have 3 properties , 2 owned outright and 1 repaying PI loan  and have been told before by a broker I should convert it all to

    Line of Credit setups , before buying  any further  properties .

    Just thought I would throw that into the ring .

    Ian

    Perth Western Australia 

    Depending on the exact advice this may not be the best option.

    If you convert an investment loan into a LOC have try to deposit all your incomes and cash into it then you will rapidly cause yourself a tax problem. You will quickly end up with none of the interest being deductible.

    If you set up a LOC on one or more and then only borrow from this for the 20% deposit for the next property and only pay the interest on this loan every month then you would be doing good.

    You also have to consider asset protection and other implications of your property structure.

    In your situation you may want to consider using a discretionary trust, or perhaps two of them, to purchase future properties and to allow the trust to use one of your properties as security by letting a bank take a mortgage over it.

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    I don’t know if you would have a strong case based on those emails.

    Even if you win you won’t get much back in terms of legal fees. There are caps on what you can claim. If you lose then you pay your own costs and part of his legal expenses.

    Best to see a lawyer, but be skeptical of what they tell you.

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    how much did you spend?

    Did he make any guarantees that your plans would be approved?

    Are you willing to spend money on lawyers?

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