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    i_sun wrote:
    How's that? I've bought this off the plan, hence stamp duty should be minimum right?! (from the purchase date)

    But the buyer would pay the almost full stamp duty, assuming is 90% from settlement?

    You are selling a property which is a dutiable transaction. Stamp duty would be assessed the same if it is (a normal sale which it would be)

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    My fees are pretty reasonable I think. I tend not to charge hourly rates for the legal work and do fixed price agreements. For the mortgage broking side I generally don't charge, for the tax side I work with accountants who charge fixed fees for returns.

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    This may be an opportunity to get your structure set up 'right' so talk to a knowledge advisor first.

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    Posting links to american websites won't help if you are located in Australia.

    Names on property dont really matter that much in divorce property settlement. Check out the family law act and the family law court website.

     Property of the marriage can be divided. This can include all property of individuals of the marriage including land, cash, inheritances etc.

    Who gets what will depend on a heap of factors including where the property come from, who contributed to it, needs etc.

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    I work with http://www.houseofwealth.com.au who have opened up a branch in the CBD of Sydney (as well as Melbourne).

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    JacM wrote:
      Lawyers are not cheap.

      smiley

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    Chris2012 wrote:
    We had the property revalued and extended to loan ready for our next purchase.

    Could I pay the council rates of the IP, which is a tax deductible expense, from these borrowed funds?

    Yes you can. But the important question is how do you get access to the funds?I

    If you transfer to a cheque account to write a cheque then the answer would be "possibly not".

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    N@than wrote:
    For a portfolio that is mostly based in mining towns why is your yield so low!?? Doesn't sound enticing at all sorry!

    Must be the cashflow after expenses??

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    First property could still be CGT free depending on the circumstances.

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    Probably, but will depend on the circumstances.

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    dgirl wrote:
     

    So with this in mind, which strategy is better:

    1.  sell the PPOR & pay cash for the deposit on 500K IP with 450K loan 450K in offset

    2.  sell the PPOR & pay cash for the deposits on two IPs (and borrow more funds)

    3.  release the equity, and buy a 400K property

    …any other options? 

     

    1.

    The lose the CGT exemption and have no better tax deductions than before. They also incur selling costs and buying costs.

    2. Selling costs and buying costs, but they have $400,000 cash to invest elsewhere – which they will still pay tax on.

    3. This would create some losses which could offset the rent the receive on the old PPOR which could still be tax free. Only worth doing if the new property will grow more than the losses though.

    4. Use a discretionary trust to invest by securing a LOC against the PPOR and borrowing to buy more property. Adds good asset protection and sets up a tax effective vehicle for the new investments.

    But if they are going overseas and will become non residents then they need specialist tax advice first.

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    You need to consider

    – strike price

    – term

    – how much comes off

    – etc

    eg a property valued at $500,000 now

    You take a one year option to buy it for $505,000 with you paying the equivalent of the loan repayments

    or

    You take a 1 year option to buy it at market value in 12 months time as determined by the average of 2 independant valuations.

    or

    You take a 5 year option and have the ability to buy the property for $500,000 with nothing coming off

    etc

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    Qlds007 wrote:
    Yes as been said do a fair bit of Spousal Transfer work and not as easy it sounds.

    Firstly need to do the Transfer and the new loan at the same time and be suprised how many lenders can't wrap their heads around it.

    Also sorry to say Stamp Duty is payable but will only be on the balance of the Transfer value and not on the full new consideration.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Richard, stamp duty would apply in most states, But in Victoria it seems one spouse can buy out the other spouse for only nominal stamp duty and this is the case even if it is an investment property.

    Should a purchaser many a vendor just to save stamp duty?

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    gmh454 wrote:
    also you would need to get the loans changed..

    and if the ATO looked at it (almost never) then you could have an issue with the old question of intention .. when purchased

    safe way is the divorce….

    just quietly slip the paperwork in among lots of other docs while she is watching her favourite TV show

    and I have seen it done,  wound up sleeping in the factory for a while till she calmed down..

    Not sure what you mean about intention?

    When one spouse buys out the share of the other spouse the intention doesn't really matter. It is a purchase of property. If money is borrowed to buy this property and the property is available for rent then generally the interest will be deductible as the purpose of the borrowing is to buy an income producing asset. The same principles apply for the original part of the property the spouse may already own.

    The ATO acknowledge that the interest may be deductible – see th ATO ID i cited above for proof.

    But don't try this at home without legal advice as there are many issues involved.

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    In Australia settlors don't usually have any powers nor do they play any role in the trust after settling the initial sum.

    If the settlor is a beneficary then there are adverse tax consequences for the trust – from memory, this is even if the settlor doesn't receive any benefit.

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    You can't transact with yourself.

    If he owned property worth $250,000 she could buy this off him for $250,000

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    If the husband owns 50% and the wife owns 50% then she could buy his share and then end up with 100%.

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    Into_property wrote:
    Hmmm, so from the sound of it this would be pretty much be the case with any lease option type situation ( be it sandwich or just standard ).  Obviously the risk being heightened in this scenario due to the pre existing mortgage stress.  Is this the case Terry?

    Well, any situation in which you are taking an option to purchase someone else's property you would have to consider who else has an interest in the property and is this interest will take priority over your interest.

     

    For example someone may sell you a property, and then before settlement someone else may lodge a writ over the property to secure a debt and this may occur before settlement. In this case who would take priority? According to a recent NSW case it would be whoever had registered their interest first. So if you exchange contracts and don't lodge a caveat someone else could take the property before settlement to satisfy a debt – a debt that you may not know anything about.

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    must be market rates if you want to claim interest. Can sell  for whatever price but CGT and stamp duty would also be taken at market rates.

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    Into_property wrote:
    Hi Terry, Any suggestions as the safest way to setup this type of transaction?

    Not really.

    You may think you are helping the owner etc but you may not know the full extent of their financial problems. If they do down the bank is going to get first take on their property. Then other secured creditors and then the non-secured creditors.

    So if you want to proceed you will have to do a title search and see if there are any other mortgages, caveats or writs etc. Do a valuation too. Then you have to get a contract drawn up and make sure you take a charge and maybe lodge a 2nd mortgage or a caveat showing your interest in the property. Consider they may have other non registered mortgages too and then consider if these would take priority over yours. Very complex and legals would be lots of money to do properly.

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