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    If they are paying $600 per week then their interest rate must be 8.74%. Are they fixed?

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    You should seek advice on using the LOC to pay for loan repayments. What is your purpose in doing this? ATO can apply Part IVA and deny your deductions.

    For a development it would be a good idea to use a separate structure such as a discretionary trust with a corporate trustee (not beneficiary, but could be that too).

    But the trouble with your set up is that all your assets will be exposed by the need to give a personal guarantee. If the trust is sued then having a company as trustee will assist you protect you other assets, but if the development fails the bank can come after all your assets.

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    kat13 wrote:
    PLC – Its sitting in my offset account at the moment, linked to my PPOR loan – hoping that's the best option.

    Oh no!

    You borrowed money and put it in a savings account? The interest will no longer be deductible and you have created a mixed purpose loan.

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    Trusts need to distribute income or the trustee will be taxed at the top rate. If your trust can only distribute to people on the top rate then there will be no tax savings.

    But most discretionary trusts have the ability to distribute to a company as a beneficiary. So what you could do is set up a company and have the trustee distribute to that. Companies pay 30% tax which result in some savings.

    The company could then onlend money to the trust, with tax advice, and the trust could buy more property. Eventually you may want to get some money out of the company and you could do this via dividends when you are on lower tax rates, or as loans (careful).

    The great thing about discretionary trusts is the flexibility. Distributions can be changed year to year at the discretion of the trustee and this is something that buying in your own name cannot assist with.

    eg. Imagine if one spouse stopped working for a year due to sickness or pregnancy, or travel etc.

    Kids can only get $416 from trust income per year without being hit with penalty taxes.

    But, a trust set up under a will or post death in some circumstances will have its income classed as exempted trust income and a child can pay tax at adult rates. This means roughly $20,000 pa fax free per child. So make sure you consider a discretionary trust in your will.

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    aussiechris wrote:
    Ok will do, thanks for the advice.

    This is actually pretty annoying because her super fund returned negative for the last year while she is paying 7.09% interest on an investment property. So in essence I thought she could simply use her super fund to pay some of her investment loan to basically be 7.09% better off guaranteed. Anyhow I guess we will just have to deal with the system that's in place.

    If only it were possible, this would be great wouldn't it.

    But it would defeat the whole purpose of super – which is to provide for retirement. If people got access to it now most of them would blow it all and then rely on the pension.

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    Yes, It workers and engineers love the old spreadsheets

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    Either could be done assuming equit and income.

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    No they can't do that unless If either one of them has met a condition of release they may be able to get a lump sum.

    There is a condition of release met if:

    1. over 55 years of age and work less than 10 hrs

    2. financial hardship

    3. temporary or permanent disability

    4. terminal medical condition

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    There is usually a much higher commission for off the plan sales. They can be much harder to sell.

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    Just out of interest are you an Engineer or IT worker?

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    I don't know the law in QLD, but possibly. I would never recomend a client do this though. Don't exchange until set up would be my recomendation.

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    If the nominee isn't in existence at the time of the contract then it may be a problem.

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    Is there any stamping of the deeds in QLD? In NSW deeds can be stamped up to 30 days after execution, so you could set up a trust in an hour or so.

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    Not sure why you are talking about redraw facility?

    Whether to took the $50,000 from the loan yesterday or 29 years ago it is still what that borrowed money is used for that counts. ie the $50k seems to be used for a private expense and will not be deudctible.

    Furthermore if you increased the loan or use redraw (maybe this is what you mean?) the result is the same. And you will end up with a mixed purpose loan which will make things less than ideal for future tax deductions

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    Seek legal advice. Probably would be treated as a transfer so double duty.

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    moxi10 wrote:
    In most cases the contract is "subject to finance", however there is usually a date, generally only a few weeks after initially signing the contract, by which time the purchaser must notify the vendor that they have organized their finance. Of course, there is no possibility of the banks guaranteeing to loan the money at the anticipated much later settlement date, so my understanding and personal experience leads me to believe that the purchaser has little choice other than to waive the right to the contract being subject to bank approved finance, at which point he no longer has the option of withdrawing from the purchase due to the lack of ability to complete finance. It seems to me to be a flawed system which exposes anyone signing an OTP contract to the risk of not being able to complete finance, even though their situation at the time of signing may have given them justifiable cause for full confidence in their ability to raise finance. The only certainty of completing finance is to have the entire amount in cash, otherwise there is always a risk that finance will not be attainable at settlement time. If I'm wrong about this point, I will be pleased to be corrected.

    Tony

    I must disagree Tony. Most realestate contracts for the sale of land are not subject to finance. And for an off the plan sale they are virtually never subject to finance and couldn't be.

    Off the plan means the plan of sub-division is not registered therefore finance couldn't be approved until this happens. This would be about 2 weeks before settlement usually. No vendor is going to enter a contract with someone for 2 years with a clause giving them a way out 2 weeks before settlement. They couldn't find another buyer in time at this stage.

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    washingtonbrown wrote:
    Well the good news is – the Tax Working Group did nothing.

    Depreciation is back baby!!

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    Tyron Hyde

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    This i typical of Gorvernment. Spend heaps of money doing all this and causing others to work making submissions etc and then nothing comes of it.

    In this case it is probably a good outcome but still…

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    PLC wrote:
    Hi Terry,

    My sister bought vacant land last year which was onsold to her before settlement. The person who initially purchased it (about a month or so before) wanted to sell at a minor profit (which my sister accepted), but found out that if they did that, they would be liable for stamp duty which would have meant a loss. However they were informed if they onsold at the same price, then they would not be liable for stamp duty, so it was passed on at the same price. At least that's what my sister was told. I find it strange that the original purchaser wouldn't have sold at the minor profit otherwise.

    I had a look and there is something in the Victorian Stamp Duties Act under Part 4A, 32C (3) which may support this claim. Obviously I'm not a lawyer and may have misinterpreted this.

    Cheers

    Tom

    Thanks Tom,

    this is interesting

    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/vic/consol_act/da200093/s32c.html

    I think you may be correct in your interpretation. I don't know of any similar provisions in NSW either.

    The op should check this out with their lawyer. Point this section out to them if they say stamp is payable again.

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    garmon wrote:
    I thinks agent is a most important part of real estate sector… Because they have full information of real estate market. And they have full knowledge about property law… So they are very helpful for selling and buying property…And they also provide best guideline for property…

    Full knowledge of real estate market? property law?

    Are you serious?

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    PLC wrote:

    Though I think there may be a loophole where you can get out of paying stamp duty if it is onsold for no additional consideration (i.e at the same price). Maybe Terry may be able to confirm?

    Cheers

    Tom

    Hi Tom.

    I have never heard of anything like this.

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