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    This is why you should use a lawyer not a settlement agent.

    I think you would be up for double stamp duty in any case as you entered into the contract in your own name.

    I take it your land is in WA? The OSR are very strict over there I hear.

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    Into_property wrote:
    Hi Terry, Any suggestions as the safest way to setup this type of transaction?

    Safest way would be to pay market value and transfer title.

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    yes and yes but you will still be partially hit with CGT.

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    Based on what you have said about it would probably not be worth doing for a few reasons:

    1. Stamp duty on the onsale to the trust

    2. Less asset protection because you are transferring

    3. Your top tax rate is 32.5% whereas  a company would be 30%

    4. Good idea not to have the trustee as a beneficiary for stamp duty reasons, in NSW at least.

    5. When selling it would be be best to get the gain in your own hands rather than a company as individuals pay only at max of 45% tax, less the 50% CGT discount = 22.5% plus medicate levy. If you distribute to a company 30% with no 50% discount.

    If one property in one name it could have enabled you to split the capital gain between the both of you, but I think it would be too late to implement now.

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    Terms of the trust deed can only be done by a lawyer. These will depend on your siutation and what you are trying to achieve.

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    And just because the valuation has come in short doesn't mean you can get out with the finance clause either. Has the finance been rejected?

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    Yes, the broker must be part of one of these groups selling properties – probably $40k commission build in.

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    You can't break the law just to get $20k.

    Look up the FHOG Act and you will see the definition of "spouse" – which may be in another act such as the Acts Interpretation Act. Then see if you meet the definition. If you are not living together in a domestic relationship then you will probably not be spouses and would probably still qualify.

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    Matt_13 wrote:
    Hi all,

    My wife and I recently signed a contract to buy a house and land package using the equity we have in our house.

    We were to change banks for our home loan then use a non bank lender for the investment loan.  As yet we have not signed any document with either the new bank or the non bank lender.

    We received the mortgage documents from the non bank lender and noticed the figures were no where near what we expected.  When we questioned the mortgage broker he informed us that the valuation was less then expected.  He would not provide exact details over the phone, only in person, so he can put on the salesmen pitch I assume.

    If we haven't signed any mortgage documents, can we use the subject to finance clause to break the contract?

    Thanks for your advice

    Matt

    Holy crap! You should ditch that mortgage broker asap. Why didn't he tell you the loan was approved and for how much and why would a broker not tell you the valuation/

    You should immediately seek legal advice (from a lawyer too and not a conveyancer or broker or hairdresser) and get out of that contract – if you can.

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    If the trust makes a taxable income after expenses then tax will be payable. Who pays depends on the terms of the deed and when the beneficiaries become 'presently entitled' to the income. This can occur before they actually receive the income. “Presently entitled” basically. means a right to demand immediate payment of the income.

    If no one is presently entitled then usually the trustee would be taxed, or maybe default beneficiaries depending on the deed.

     

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    Ritchie,

    You should seek some professional advice on that set up.

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    Perhaps it is a temporary thing until the sinking fund reaches a certain level.

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    jmsrachel wrote:
    kat13 wrote:
    We pulled out the equity on our house – 90K which got paid into cash into our offset account until we were ready to get something…but we are also using 30K for personal improvements which is maybe why it was done that way????

    We are currently waiting on preapproval for the rest (not sure how much we can get – but broker indicated up to 400K all up).  

    What should we be doing?  What sort of account do I need to stash it in?

    Can I be a pain and ask where should Kat put the money once the equity is pulled out as cash. Now that I have learnt not to put it in the offset, where do you park it? Or do you wait till you've signed contracts then organise to pull it out?

    You have to be careful to pay the money straight from the loan to the investment without passing through any savings account. So best method is to use a LOC or increase the loan without taking the money and then use a bank cheque to pay the deposit etc.

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    slav wrote:
    At the moment I am looking at starting a familly trust and buying properties for us to live in, but not sure which will be the best way. And will it be advisable to transfer the super into the trust and self manage it?

    You need advice to set up the structure.

    You cannot transfer your super into a trust unless you have met a condition of release. But if that is the case why would you as the CG and income inside a superfund would be exempt from tax at that stage.

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    Yep

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    You have to look and see if the body corporate has the power to issue these contributions. If so then you have to pay.

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    You should only borrow to directly invest.

    Best to use a LOC or put the funds back into the loan and then use redraw. Never park funds into a savings account. Don't even do this for 1 min so as to write a cheque.

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    Sorry, don't mean to alarm you but Its too late now. You have set it up all incorrectly and The ATO can deny the deductions. See the case Domjan.

    You can't borrow money and put it into a savings account – well you can but the interest will not be deductible because it is not investing. Mixing it with cash makes it even worse as you can't trace the borrowed funds.

    It is like taking some milk and storing it in a class of orange juice and then saying you will take the milk out later to make a cup of tea.

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    You will have have a look at the SIS Act and SIS regulations.

    A requirement is that any borrowings must be limited recourse and the assets of the fund cannot be mortgaged. This means the new property has to go into a separate trust which then provides the vehicle for the borrowings and offers the property as security.

    If this can be overcome then you could invest overseas and borrow to do so.

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    What was in the contract you signed? Did you see any strata searches or conduct any?

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