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    In NSW if you had used a fixed trust to own land then:

    1. Ability to transfer units to a SMSF at a later date

    2. Access to the refinancing principal

    3. slightly greater asset protection.

    4. ability to access the land tax free threshold, and

    5. stamp duty savings on the transfer of untis – due to be abolished July 1 too.

    None of these are available if you buy in your own name.

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    Hi Richard,

    I just checked my emails and have one from NAB in Nov this year – max $2.5mil at 95% LVR they were saying then.

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    I am writing such a book. Got to think of a different title though.

    I am not sure if I will publish it as too many trade secrets.

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    NAB can go up to 95% LVR up to $2million from memory.

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    in NSW most trusts don't get any land tax free threshold.

    "Exceptions" for fixed trusts, SMSFs and deceased estates.

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    Depends on what you mean by 'business' and how things are structured.

    If you personally go bankrupt all the property you own is at risk. The trustee in bankruptcy stands in your shoes and 'is; you. They sell your property and use this money to pay creditors.

    Property = shares, units in unit trusts, land etc. But not property held on trust for others.

    So the best form of asset protection is not to own any property. An interest in a discretionary trust is not property – they trustee in bankrupcy can still stand in your shoes and can ask to be conisdered when the trustee is distributing income, but that is all as, depending on the set up, there will be no requirement to distribute to him.

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    in that you have to imagine, if you were to go bankrupt at some point in the future what assets would be at risk

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    DEVILZ wrote:
    thanks.

    all comments make sense

    but what if in the future I decide to sell one IP which has a lot of equity? in this case if I increase LVR to max and transfer equity to another IP I will save on CGT. Is it right ?

    and another point why I want to do this: That IP is in mining town so it can drop value at some stage (maybe not) so I rather get equity from it now while it is on the top than later.

    Make sense or I am silly?

    Loan amounts have no effect on capital gains tax.

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    Derek wrote:
    Terryw wrote:

    for family law matters celibacy

    Geez Terry – I cannot see many clients lining up and paying fees for that piece of advice.

    I charge $500 for the asset protection chastity belt or $1000 if you want the key as well.

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    Asset protection against what?

    Generally:

    For trading entities a Pty Ltd company

    for bankruptcy a discretionary trust and SMSF fund

    for family law matters celibacy

    for death, depends.

    Structure is only one part of asset protection. The rest depends on how transactions are conducted and the internal set ups – terms of the trust etc.

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    Yes, no change to taxation for 2 reasons

    1. Purpose of the loan determines deductibility, not securty, and

    2. Same owner so a negative on one offsets a loss on the other.

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    Coota,

    I do some consulting work with them and they seem to charge by the job rather than the hour for most things. Send them an email for an approx cost, or send me an email and I can find out.

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    You can both claim expenses in proportion of ownership

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    ry House of Wealth.

    Not sure if they are north south east or west

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    Gemma Lea wrote:

    2) Research – Discretionary Trusts (aka family trusts) and having a company as trustee for greater asset protection. Also helps if you have brothers or sisters over 18 earning a low wage (you can give them income earned in the family trust). Accountants would be good to speak to about this.

     

    Accountants shouldn't give asset protection advice as this is legal advice. For example, they are not trained in litigation, or family law or succession. Solicitors are trained in this area.

    3 simple examples:

    1. Insolvency. A company without proper records will be deemed to be trading while insolvent. Directors of a company trading while insolvent will be personally liable for the debts of the company and their personal assets at risk.

    Unpaid present entitlements are another big one. These build up over the years if the trust doesn't make a distribution and this will great all sorts of problems, including weaking asset protecition.

    2. Discretionary trusts won't help much in a family law situation. No to little asset protection.

    3. A property held as Joint Tenants doesn't not form part of the estate, but passes to the sole survivor. This can be attacked.

    Trusts don't form part of the deceased's estate, but in NSW trust assets can be deemed part of the estate under the notional estate sections of the succcession act.

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    Why is it bettter to get in your own name? Sounds like you are jumping to conclusions prematurely.

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    5. Just fill in the form and lodge at the land titles office and pay hte fee.

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    A credit card is a loan. So if you are refinancing the credit card debt with the LOC borrowings the deductibility won't change.

    I hope you are not having salary etc deposited into the Viridian?

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    Tom,

    2. Asset protection from what?

    3. No, Australia totally different to US

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    And don't forget to add land tax to your calculations, especially if using a discretionary trust.

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