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    Alex SC wrote:
    Just dealing with a client now who is using a super fund to purchase .Correct me if I am wrong the Super fund can send money to LLC  which is set up in states then the LLC can purchase the properties.

    We are currently dealing with a Client who is using a super fund so new to us. This clients has over 20 homes in the USA purchased in different markets.

    So I would like to see what every one else is saying on this ( especially you finance guys )

    Thanks

    Alex, You have to look at SIS reg 13.22C from memory. A superfund cannot invest in certain assets but can buy shares and units from a related member if there is no mortgage or lien on the property owned by the company or trust.

    If there will be borrowings then a separate bare trust needs to be set up so that none of the SMSF funds assets will be used as security.

    you also have to look at the ADI requirements.

    Its a tricky area.

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    See these

    FC of T v. Brown 99 ATC 4600; (1999) 43 ATR 1

    FC of T v. Jones 2002 ATC 4135; (2002) 49 ATR 188

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    Yes, this can be possible. There is a precedent case involving a person who borrowed to buy a business and the business went bust – company in liquidation I think. They were able to keep claiming the interest.

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    Don’t give up on it though. It is still possible to do, you just need to plan carefully how you structure it and the reasons for doing it.

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    My reading of that TD is that the ATO can apply Part IVA of the Tax Act and deny the deduction if the dominant purpose is to pay the home loan off sooner.

    This doesn’t necessarily mean it cannot be done. There is another ruling which says capitalised interest retains the character of the underlying loan, so if the base loan is deductible the capitalised interest can be deductible. But that has to be read with the newer TD mentioned above.

    Part IVA is used to deny a deduction if it has a dominant purpose of tax savings.

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    A lot of people don't honestly tell the broker information. So the broker would possibly be wasting their time if you exaggerated or left out some important bits – on purpose or unintentionally.

    I have never done so myself, but have been caught out a few times when clients forget about that limit on the LOC.

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    Jact, Sounds good in theory, but have you read TD 2011/D8 or sought advice on this?

    And, why would not a 'normal' LOC work?

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    Why do you want such a product?

    Possibly the St George Portfolio loan. The sub account limts can be adjusted I beleive.

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    Ralph Z wrote:
    Hi Terry:

        no, as far as i know, they will just give you all the options, you decide what to do, and you would then need to speak to accountant and lawyers etc.

         cheers

    Gee that is fairly costly then.

    Yesterday I did some financial planning training. Now I am a solicitor and chartered tax advisor and a mortgage broker. Once I set up as a planner I will be able to do the complete advice and set up all wills with testamentary trusts,inter vivos trusts, smsfs, loan agreements structures etc. I was intending on charging about $5000 to $10,000 for all this per couple and then rebate any commisisons from loans and insurances etc. There are not many fin planners that are also solicitors

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    Wonder who the lender is? Probably a mortgage manager

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    This is one of the problems with using a conveyancer. Did you get legal advice on the release of the deposit?

    It is the bank’s money so they can make up the rules. Complaining may or may not help. Its like you asking me to lend you money and I say I will if you do x. There may be no legal requirement to do x, but that doesn’t mean I have to lend you the money.

    You have to act fast. Maybe a different lender?

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    Bridging loans complicates things…

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    Terryw wrote:
    Ralph Z wrote:
    Hi Terry:

          First meeting is free for all the advisers, I think that's the norm in the industry now. Once you've decided to go with them, they will charge 2000-6000 for the Statement of advice, and another 4000-8000 for ongoing management. The one I decided to go is around 3000+6000, the one with more experience charges about 5000+8000. cheers

        

    Thanks Ralph. Very interesting.

    Ralph, Just wondering did those fees included legal documents such as powers of attorney, wills, testamentary trusts, SMSF set up etc?

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    Ralph Z wrote:
    Hi Terry:

          First meeting is free for all the advisers, I think that's the norm in the industry now. Once you've decided to go with them, they will charge 2000-6000 for the Statement of advice, and another 4000-8000 for ongoing management. The one I decided to go is around 3000+6000, the one with more experience charges about 5000+8000. cheers

        

    Thanks Ralph. Very interesting.

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    aussieguy2000 wrote:
    Someone above mentioned that a financial adviser just tries to sell you their product, I thought they were regulating this and changing the industry as of July this year? Is this the case or has this not changed yet?

    I think it has been extended to July 2013

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    Aussie Guy

    A conditional contract is usually only a few weeks at most. What we probably have here is a finance fully approved and a delay in settlement (prob because of christmas).

    You exaggerate about the penalty interest. It is usually about 10 to 15% pa. daily not much, and not much considering you would not be paying 6% to the bank this time either.

    The bank doesn’t allow the contract to go unconditional, the purchaser does. The bank is not a party to the purchase. If the bank cannot meet their own deadlines then sometimes they pay compensation – usually only if their fault.

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    That is still a long way off. What is the problem?

    And what state is the property in?

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    Is she already your ex? If so you may have stamp duty and CGT to consider.

    If you are going through a separation then the transfer could be exempt of stamp duty and CGT could be rolled over – but watch out for CGT pregant transfers as you will inherit the tax liability.

    Process would be

    1. Get a pre-approval to make sure it is theoretically possible.

    2. Seek tax advice

    3. seek legal advice

    4. apply for full approval

    5 arrange for the conveyancing and stamp duty exemptions etc

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    Ralph Z wrote:
    Hi all:

      Just in case you guys see this thread again, I've talked to 4 advisers now, and I've narrowed down to two advisers to choose from: one is very nice to talk to and with good background, the other is a little bit harsh but with more experience. Please advice, struggling at the moment :(

      cheers

       Ralph

    Hi Ralph,

    I would be interested to find out the fees involved. Do you have to pay any fees for the initial meetings? And how much to go forward?

    What is the general gist of their advice?

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    Ralph Z wrote:
    Hi Terry:

      Thanks for your comments, I talked to two financial advisers today: one is from MLC, he's basically recommending MLC management funds; the other one is an independent adviser, he is more genuine and basically set a strategic financial plan for me, but i will need to pay for further details. I will talk to two more advisers, and I will definitely talk to accountant and lawyer.  are you at Sydney? so i can talk to you if they were not so helping. cheers

    Yes, I am in Sydney and I would be interested to hear what they recommend. I am in the process of setting up as a financial planner as well.

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