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    You need legal advice in relation to succession, bankruptcy, family law and most importantly taxation. You each may need separate legal advice too.

    Sorry, don't know anyone down there.

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    Cancel the contract – then read it – and make a new offer after getting advice from your solicitor.

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    OMG a conveyancer advising on asset protection!

    A conveyancer can transfer title but what about the rest. If you stuff it up you won't be able to claim any interest.

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    Why are you doing this?

    You should not use a conveyancer as your need additional legal advice in relation to estate planning, taxation, equity, family law and insolvency, stamp duty.

    In Vic it can be done with nominal stamp duty, but if it is being done for investment purposes any interest will only be deductible if one spouse borrows to buy the other spouse at full market value.

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    Sash wrote:
    Hi Finance Guru’s,

    I’m have run into a big issue regarding my development. I have just had an extremely low valuation come in and the lender has not instructed the valuer correctly. The deal is supposed to be assessed as completed or end value and 3 separate units on 3 separate titles. Instead it has been valued as 3 on 1. Obviously there is no comparable sales for 3 dwellings on 1 title. What puzzles me further is that the permit clearly states that throughout construction the subdivision will be carried out and titles will be lodged accordingly. So why aren’t they following these instructions approved by council? Val came in at $615

    They also did a ‘if subdivided’ scenario which came in ridiculously off the mark also but I guess that’s a different story again. Val came in at $740

    Existing loan: $306k
    Construction: $370k
    Reno: $15k
    Interest through construction: $15k
    Total funds required @ 90%: $785k minimum

    I have no idea how they come up with there figures. With a touch up, the existing house wont drop $80k off the purchase price of $320k. It would sell for $280k. There are comparable sales on RPData for new units that are single story, single bath 2 bed in the same suburb for just over $300k. Mine are double story, 2 bed, 2 bath and better design… How does that work? Obviously they’re on separate titles but people don’t usually subdivide etc prior to developing from what I’ve been told.

    So my question is what do I do? This is my first development and I have 2 other sites ready to go with plans and permits depending on this deal getting up and going. PLEASE HELP!!!!

    Sash

    Sounds like you are out of your depth and too highly geared.

    What do you mean they were supposed to value on end value and separate titles?

    Will be very hard to get this over the line I think.

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    ChrisA1 wrote:
    Many thanks Terry,

    You jolted my memory about capital improvements. Could you please expand on the capital improvement and any implications from a tax point of view? 

    The neighbour is organising the fence replacement so the quote (and receipt) will be in their name. Since I will be keeping the invoice/receipt to add to the property costs (even though the total cost is $800-900 and my cost around $300), wouldn't I need the invoice in my name??

    Items of a capital nature could only be depreciated rather than claimed outright. that is a portion of the cost claimed each year for x years.

    You should only hand over money on the production of a tax invoice – from the person you pay.

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    Yes def get it all in writing.

    The fence would probably be a capital improvement and depreciated.

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    As long as you made no representations it will be difficult for them to get anywhere. Of course they could still sue you, but this doesn't mean it will go anywhere.

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    Michael,

    There is an interesting QS/Tax question here which you may be able to answer if you have time:

    http://somersoft.com/forums/showthread.php?t=85211&page=2

    quote

    lets say you had a rental property that was damaged and needed partial or full replacement. Insurance pays out and reinstates/repairs. Does your now higher depreciation on the new property come to you as the owner, or does it remain at the old property rate?

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    CGT may not apply as your intention is to sell at a profit.

    Unit trusts can only distribute income in accordance with the deed which will be a fixed percentage based on unit holdings. Maybe look into discretionary trusts.

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    kat13 wrote:
    Nope no cash at the moment…..and I am off work for maternity leave.  My plan is to finish uni – June 2015 and then will be at work fulltime so can service any extra's in loans etc…hence why I want to do this at that time and not now.

    In that case you will have little choice but to borrow 105% of the value of the new PPOR.

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    kat13 wrote:
    Yep Terry it has its own separate account number.

    Either way – it all still sounds do-able to this point.  I am just unsure about using the 90K as a deposit for a PPOR – that would then mean we are lending 100% to buy doesn't it?  

    That is good news. It means it is not a mixed loan and can be paid off independently.

    If you don’t use this as deposit do you have cash to use?

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    Paul B. wrote:
    Terry/Jamie et al.,

    If I were to turn my PPOR into an IP does the interest on the loan from that point become tax deductible? I recall you saying that it is only tax deductible if the purpose of the loan was for an investment (which it wasn't, it was to buy our home).

    What happens in this situations?

    generally, but not necessarily.

    Imagine you had a loan of $500,000 which was used to purchase the property. The interest on this would generally be deductible if you rented the house. This is because the purpose of the loan was to buy the house and the house would be an income producing asset once rented. So interest be be deductible once it is available for rent.

    Now imagine that you had receive an inheritance of $490,000 and paid it into the loan in year 2. In year 4 you pulled out $490,000 and your loan balance is $500,000 again. Assume i is interest only for the next 30 years. In year 35 you rent it out.

    Only interest on the $10,000 of the loan would be deductible. The $490,000 you pulled out is new borrowings and the itnerest on this will only be deductible if the purpose of these borrowings are investment related.

    It can be very complicated if someone sets up a LOC on their home loan. They would need to treat each withdrawal as new borrowings and work out the balance the loan attributable to the purchase of the house. So NEVER use a LOC for a loan other than as access deposits for further property. Otheriwse you could have a large loan with no or little interest being deductible.

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    Kat, does the $90k loan have its own loan number separate to the $280K?

    You could possibly claim only a max of 75% of the interest on this mixed loan if it became and IP. Other expenses could be claimed in full.

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    Borrowing to pay out one loan is just refinancing. So if the original interest was deductible the new loan's interest should be deductible. Security doesn't matter for the claiming of tax.

    There can be non tax advantages in doing this espeically where the titles are not in the same names etc. Someone may want an unecumbered property for some reason and this may help with that.

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    This is more complicated than you think because of that $90k mistake.

    The loan is currently $280k (rounding to make it easier). Of this $90k relates to the extra repayment. So your loan must have been around

    $280,000 before you withdraw the $90k

    $370,000 after you withdraw the $90k

    and

    $280,00 now that you have redeposited the $90k.

    The $90k is considered a separate loan as it was borrowed separately from the original money.

    Now once you withdrew the $90k you had a mixed loan:

    $280,000 associated with the purchase of the house and

    $90,000 associated with a savings offset account.

    total loan $370,000 $76% of the interest of this loan is associated with the first loan and 24% the second loan.

    Now you have gone and deposited $90k. Since you have a mixed loan – ie two loans within one you cannot say the $90k deposit must come off the $90k loan. Any deposit must come off both loans in proportion to the %. So 76% of the $90k deposit must come off the $280,000 portion. 76% is $68,400. So your new mixed loan balance would be like this:

    Total loan $280,000

    Loan associated with the purchase of the property = $211,600

    Loan associated with the money borrowed to fund an offset account = $90,000 – (24% of $90,000) = $68,400

    Therefore only part of the loan is associated with the purchase of the property and this part is $211,600/$280,000 = 75.5%

    ie only 75% of the interest on this loan would ever be deductible.

    And this assumes you had not paid any principal off the loan since borrowing $90k. If you did you owuld need to do the cumbersome calculations as above for each repayment.

    One way you could have fixed things when you became aware of the mistake was to split the loan into 2 portions one being $90k and then immediately pay off the $90k loan.

    This is why brokers should not give tax advise

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    Mortgage exit fees have been abolished under the NCCP Act or regulations. You just have the discharge of mortgage fee now – and break costs if the loan is fixed

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    I don't know if there are any rules regarding there being only 1 lender to a SMSF. The assets of a bare trust can only be mortgaged or charged by one lender – I'm not even sure if this is the case actually. But a member can loan funds to the SMSF without security. This can be over and above the secured loan.

    A member has to becareful with the interest rate charged. There are some ATO advices out saying you can charge less, but not more. It may even be possible to charge no interest – but be very careful

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    Do a title search and then try google and face book.

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    not_so_lucky wrote:
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    not_so_lucky wrote:
    Thank you all!!!

    I've contacted a few accountants and they all recommend I see a different person … or do they?

    These are the people they suggested I see, are they al the same???

    property surveyor

    independent valuer

    quantity surveyer

    property valuer

    One of them suggested this site: http://www.bmtqs.com.au/ConstructionCostCalculator.aspx

    Does it look promising?

    Doesn't sound promising to me. Ask these accountants under what authority they are saying this. See s 121-20 ITAA 1997 http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/itaa1997240/s121.20.html

    Thank you Terry for that link.

    Does the below mean that a valuation could be sufficient?

    (5)  If the necessary records of an act, transaction, event or circumstance do not already exist, you must reconstruct them or have someone else reconstruct them.

    Example:    Your capital gain or capital loss from a CGT event may depend on the market value of property at a particular time. To record that market value properly, you may need to get a valuation done.

    But, a valuation will only establish the value of the building. This won’t necessarily be what it cost you to construct. You might need to do several things such as valuation, QS report, go back over credit card statements, loan withdrawals etc.

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