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    LDNNW1 wrote:
    Hi guys,

    I'm new to this forum and looking for some advice regarding the best  vehicle and structure for my investment.

    At present i am 24 year old Australian citizen although I only moved to live in Sydney from the uk 1.5 years ago.

    I have been working full time for the past 6'months as a restaurant manager currently earning around 46000 before tax and super

    I have no savings but I have $120,000 gift,from a family member to use a deposit or invest.

    I'm also studying full time in sydney. (B bus and hotel management)

    As I am not sure i have the earning history to get a mortgage I was thinking of buying some where out right for perhaps 200-250k ( will invest with a family member) and then put the rent into a savings account to add to my  Income. My concern with doing this was that the banks will only take half of the rental income but will assess the entire debt. So would a trust or company be a better vehicle in terms of gaining future approval for mortgage.

    Alternatively would I have any chance of getting a mortgage with my present situation for the extra 100-150k? For an investment property?

    This is just an option I was considering but am open to any form – just looking to make a start and get on the ladder

    Anyway I I'm new to the forum and wanted to get some advice on my situation and any other feedback and criticism, other options would be much appreciated.

    Thanks in advance

    Nick 

    Seek legal advice on that gift – first thing to do.

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    That is very small…

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    jasmeet wrote:
    thnx terry

    In my situation my previous spouse has owned a property and claimed FHOG on that property, but i was not married to him when he got fhog, neither i was on loan papers but was married to him when he sold it.

    Best thing to do is to look at the legislation. First Home Owners Grant Act in the state in which you are purchasing.

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    You could report the agent to the Real Estate Institute of your state.

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    Qlds007 wrote:
    Ok thanks Terry see we all live and learn.

    I was aware a person under the age of 18 couldn't enter into a mortgage agreement but wasn't aware that could take Title of the property.

    I was aware they could in certain circumstances enter a Contract but didnt realise that included the purchase of land etc.

    Cheers

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    Found it Richard,

    In NSW this is probably the relevant act MINORS (PROPERTY AND CONTRACTS) ACT 1970

    eg see s20
    http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/consol_act/maca1970348/s20.html

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    May I suggest you have a look at two blogs. They have revolutionised my thinking

    1. Mr. Money Mustache

    http://www.mrmoneymustache.com/

    2. Early Retirement Extreme— a combination of simple living, anticonsumerism, DIY ethics, self-reliance, and applied capitalism

    http://earlyretirementextreme.com/

    The basic idea is to save as much of your pay packet as quickly as you can and invest. Do this by earning as much as you can but more importantly reducing what you spend. If you are able to save 75% of your income then you could possibly retire in 5 years or less.

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    I was inviited into a group thing many years ago and didn't join. but the group went ahead anyway. It is very hard to come to decisions when there is a group. It is dedious and then the ones who don't get their way resent the others. This group took many months to just choose the name and they then formed a company. Then they realised finance was the biggest hurdle.

    Actually there was a second group that I was involved in. 5 people and 4 all wanted to be a director. I was the only one that didn't want to legal burden. This one purchased a property and 4 of those sucker directors guaranteeed the loan while I didn't. This was for a development deal and also went nowhere because it was just so hard to get people to meetings and to agree on things. Also a silly name was chosen which I didn't like, but it didn't really matter, but I was outvoted. It was also hard to extract money from members. We all had to put funds in and everyone agreed, but then when it was time to do it a few just didn't and it was like getting blood out of a stone….

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    Without looking at the legislation…. I think you could possibly qualify if you or your current spouse has never owned property before.

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    Jamie M wrote:
    ANZ will let you place the funds back into the loan – but if the balance of the loan goes to $0, the account is automatically closed so the borrower needs to leave a little bit owing.

    Cheers

    Jamie

    Hi Jamie

    This was a loan increase and I tried to get anz to leave the funds there available as redraw or draw down and pay back in but no luck (just had an idea now – could have paid out as a bank cheque and client deposit back in).

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    Qlds007 wrote:
    16 i think that is an excellent starting age but remember you need to be 18 before you can legally enter into a Contract.

    I purchased my first property and 18 and have never looked back.

    Cheers

    Yours in Finance

    Actually kids can enter contracts before 18 under a number of circumstances such as if they will benefit from the transaction. There is legislation on this. I forget the name of the act now, but state based..

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    This is called a deed of partition. It has to be set up like you say with each % ownership in accordance with the final land size for that person. Should be possible to avoid stamp duty on the final transfer (or nominal) and a beneficiary is assessed, generally, as the owner for income tax purposes. Legally each person will own the same percentage too so it will be the same.

    But the hard part will be finance. Each and every wner will have to guarantee or be joint borrowers with all the others. Joint and severally liable etc.

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    1. If you do this you will lose the connection between borrowing and investing and in my view you run a high risk of not having the interest deductible. Don't do it without advice. If you do do it then make sure that offset account has no other funds in it.

    Best to use a LOC for this very reason. Or put the money back into the loan – some banks do not allow this though. I had some trouble with ANZ recently for a loan doing a small increase.

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    Subject to servicing still…

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    clintron wrote:
    Sorry I think I was a bit unclear, I have the ability to borrow funds to build. However as my parents own the land I'm not sure if banks would consider lending to me for the build. 

    No they woudn’t. You don’t have any security to offer. (unless you used o

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    The bank can come after all your assets. But unmortgaged assets will take longer to take, I mean property not mortgaged to that bank relating to the loan in question.

    But the real advantage is if you are in trouble you could sell one property and keep the other and use the cash released to get you out of trouble.

    If you had 2 crossed properties you could sell one but only with the bank's permission as they would need to release the mortgage on the remaining property. To do this they would need a new valuation, perhpas new financials too and they may even require the money released from the sale come back into the loan of the remaining property. This could leave you up shit creek. Imagine if one property had dropped in value….

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    That is understandable. Many years ago someone turned up at my door and serves some court documents upon me. I had judgment against me for unpaid council rates. First that I knew about it. I immediately paid but a judgment for $499 appeared on my credit file for 5 years.

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    Many reasons why you shouldn’t cross collateralise. Similar to why you should not allow the bank to put your gonads in a vice.

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    Selling off the plan to your dad would be an option. It used to be that off the plan sales were assessed for stamp duty on the value of the land at the date of the contract – ie with no house. Not sure if this is the case.

    Another option is an installment contract where your dad pays you month by month over 30 years. It is possible to reduce the tax paid b this method. Stamp duty is payable upfront in Vic I think.

    I am not sure about hte planning side.

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    Just do a google for "veda credit report free" and please report back.

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    See a solicitor. Easy to sue.

    You could also have a bad credit rating for the next 5 years too. Get a copy of your credit file and see if the judgment is listed.

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