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    You shouldn't be offering to pay more than the valuation I think.

    You are not legally obliged to continue so treat this as a brand new purchase. You normally wouldn't pay $10k above a valuation price so why do so now – even if you are getting a $9k grant.

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    What about Nathan Birch's Blink Property?

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    THat is a big mistake. Very hard to forget about a $10k debt.

    Do you have a judgment against you? You can be bankrupted any moment so if someone knocks on your door asking for you by name pretend you are someone else and close the door.

    Because you can be bankrupted any moment I think it will be very unlikely you will find finance because no lender wants to lend you money only for you to go in bankruptcy

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    Yes, if done that way the business aspect may be ok. If you are in Sydney I may be able to advise.

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    LC888 wrote:
    Another issue (never ending!). So, I took the line of credit (LOC) using my fully paid PPOR as the equity. As I was waiting for the line of credit to settle, I needed to pay the 10% deposit on the IP which I was going to use the LOC for. My broker told me that I can just pay it from my own cash and then reimburse myself once the LOC was settled. So, that's what I did. Unfortunately, after that, I found out from my tax accountant that if I reimburse myself, the interest on the amount would not be tax deductible as I have to pay the third party directly from the LOC in order to get tax deduction on the interest. Is this true? Can't I just provide the details of the transfer I made for the 10% deposit to prove that I used that money for the IP?

    Yes, your broker was incorrect and should not be providing you with tax advice. The accountant is correct.

    Interest is only deductible on money borrowed and used for investment purposes. You have paid cash for something. You cannot later replace this cash with borrowed money and claim the interest because you have completed the transaction. You cannot borrow from yourself.

    What you could have done is to borrow from a third party temporarily and then refinanced this loan with the LOC

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    LC888 wrote:
    Another question – is remortgaging the same as having a line of credit using my fully owned home as an equity? 

    Mortgaging is a common term used to describe borrowing money (mortgage actually means taking a charge over property).

    Obtaining a LOC is a form of borrowing.

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    LC888 wrote:
    Thanks Dan.

    I've asked this question to my broker before and she said there's no such thing but today, my boss suggested the same thing again:

    Is it possible to remortgage my fully owned property in SA and use that money to pay for my property in Melbourne that I am currently living in? …which means my IP in SA would be on mortgage and I would fully own the property I'm currently living in, in Melbourne…

    Security of the loan doesn’t matter it is the purpose of the loan, ie where the money goes that counts. In this case you will be borrowing money for your new main residence so it is a private expense and not deductible.

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    If a tenant injures themselves in the property they are likely to sue the owner of the property which will be the trustee. If the trustee gets a judment then they must pay the tenant out of the trust assets if the trust assets are not enough then the trustee's personal assets are at risk. This is why it is best to have a company as trustee.

    If you do something illegal or are criminally negligent then the company may not save you either. Directors of the company could be exposed.

    If you are the trustee then you could be bankrupted. If you had transferred assets to a different trust then these assets could be at risk of being clawed back depending how it was all done.

    I think it is generally preferrable to leave existing assets as they are and consider using a trust for future ones. Make sure you set up a discretionary trust in your will so that your spouse or children can inherit in a structure with asset protection and huge tax benefits…

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    Better be prepared for some legal advice before starting. You would be breaching a few rules possibly if you set it up like that.

    You have to look at the sole purpose test – super is supposed to be solely for your retirement. Running a business of development may breach this rule.

    You can also only borrow to buy a single acquireable asset. So if your fund purchased the land it could not subsequently be mortgaged or used as security.

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    Firewater. Very easy, but cumbersome. Work out how you are going to do it – gift, market value, undermarket value etc and then just fill in the relevant paperwork such as a transfer document from your names to the names of the trustee.

    Apply for a new loan, pay stamp duty and then complete the settlement.

    If it was your main residence before then maybe exempt from CGT. Full stamp duty would normally apply.

    But, why are you wanting to do this? Asset protection is not great, you will be up for CGT from the transfer date and you may have to pay land tax on something that otherwise wouldn’t be taxed.

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    50/50 was just an example. Could be other amounts.

    It may also be possible to lend the SMSF money unsecured.

    or Have a unit trust set up and then you own some units and SMSF own the other. You could lend money to a bare trust of the SMSF and a charge could be taken over the units.Very

    complexx and you will need to spend a fair but on advice

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    JacM wrote:
    Hm I had understood a SMSF could not essentially go into business with or joint-own an asset with a related party.  Would the 5% rule apply here then?

    No because of the above section I quoted which specificially says a jointly owned asset is not classed as an in house asset.

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    JacM wrote:
    No. Your SMSF is not allowed to jv with a related party

    SIS Act section 71(1)(i)
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    (1) For the purposes of this Part, an in-house asset of a superannuation fund is an asset of the fund that is a loan to, or an investment in, a related party of the fund, an investment in a related trust of the fund, or an asset of the fund subject to a lease or lease arrangement between a trustee of the fund and a related party of the fund, but does not include: …

    (i) property owned by the superannuation fund and a related party as tenants in common, other than property subject to a lease or lease arrangement between a trustee of the fund and a related party; or

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    JacM wrote:
    No. Your SMSF is not allowed to jv with a related party

    JacM – any authority to back this up?

    I don’t know of any restriction in a SMSF buying property jointly with a related party.

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    Because of the land tax issues, I would tend to favour buying in your personal names with planning on which names to use first.

    If there are asset protection issues then a discretionary trust. If the land is in VIC a personal name should be considered first because of the stamp duty issues on spousal sale strategy, but other states maybe a fixed unit trust because of the flexibility.

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    Wilko, a trustee of a SMSF cannot borrow money, s67. But s67A allows a trustee to borrow money (wtf?) by introducing an exception. This is to acquire a single acquireable asset.

    (incidently you know when legislation has been amended when the numbering jumps out of sync and letters have been inserted such as s67 then s67A s67B etc?

    So with your LOC how are you going to get than into the SMSF? Loan or contribution?

    If there was no loan then sub-division would be possible I think.

    Another possibility is a JV with a SMSF. Buying Tenants in Common 50/50 with a SMSF

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    That is longer than the life of a trust and the live of anyone buying!

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    Yes, lawyers can take interstate clients. I wouldn't do conveyancing interstate though as the proceedures vary from state to state.

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    wilko1 wrote:
    Just sign it and or nominee and get your solicitor or conveyancer to nominate which company/trust you select.  That way it's also their fault for any wording errors.   

    Get some legal advice first.
    This could result in paying stamp duty twice in some states, especially if the trust is not in existance at the date of contract.

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    Yes, really there is no need to document the trust at all. But it may be a good idea to put XX ATF YYY.

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