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    You would find cgt calculated at market value. Loans are irrelevant for cgt.

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    You will generally be taxed on your percentage ownership unless there is some other trust in place.

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    If only you had used a unit trust

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    What is the purpose in wanting to do this and is the other party a trust or an individual?

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    Ailime wrote:
    Hi all

    My sister & BIL are thinking of upgrading their current PPOR (let's call this PPOR 1 and its corresponding home loan as Loan 1).

    They were suggested by friends (who have done and are doing it) and their accountant to do the following:

    – Turn PPOR 1 into IP by renting it out.

    – Redraw the equity from PPOR 1 and use the money to (partially) fund a new PPOR (let's call it PPOR 2). 

    They were told by their friends and accountant that by turning PPOR 1 into IP, the interest of the redrawn fund from Loan 1 becomes tax deductible (with the reasoning that Loan 1 has become a loan for an IP).

    Is this correct?

    Can turning PPOR 1 into an IP and use the equity of Loan 1 to fund PPOR 2 = making the interest of Loan 1 become tax deductible?

    My understanding from reading what TerryW, Richard, Jamie, and other experienced investors here said before is that the deductibility of interest depends on the purpose of the use of money.

    In their case, the money is used to fund PPOR 2 (ie. a personal use). Therefore, the interest from loan 1 is not deductible – despite the fact that loan 1 is now linked to an IP.

    Did I miss something?

    If my understanding above is correct, is there any publication or link to ATO website that I can use to point them to an accurate information?

    What will/can happen if they follow their friends' way?

    Please help!

    I wish to prevent them from getting into trouble.

    Thank you so much.  

    This is basic tax law, s 8-1 ITAA 1997. Interest would be deductible to the extend that it relates to money borrowed to purchase income producing assets.

    Your accountant is wrong.

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    Oh, maybe it is your trust as tenants in common with another person or trustee?

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    There could be several methods to structure this. One I like is using a discretionary trust. Money can be gifted and borrowed back. Later this loan could be refinanced and 100% deductibility could be maintained if done correctly. In addition tax and asset protection advantages would be possible.

    Also make sure you obtain the permission of your mortgagee if knocking down their security property.

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    When you say a 50% share, do you mean there are units issued? Or are you talking generally? because beneficiaries cannot have shares in a discretionray trust – otherwise it would not be discretionary.

    If the trust is a unit trust this opens up a range of opportunites for you.

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    god_of_money wrote:
    Hi Terry

    are u talking about purchasing property under DFT and can be transferred to SMSF in the future without stamp duty?

    Very interesting concept

    Hi GOM,

    Nope, if you buy under a discretionary trust it would be impossible to transfer to a related SMSF.

    But if you were to set it up under a unit trust then it is possible to sell the units to a SMSF down the track. This can be done without stamp duty in some states. It can also be done without breaching the SIS Act or regulations.

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    No you have a right to ask. I was just curious because you said you couldn't afford it!

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    I am a Sydney based solicitor (CBD). What sort of legal advice do you need?

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    littlelot wrote:
    All I need to do is join my funds with the SMSF funds and then obtain a bank loan for the balance and then structure it to appease the ATO.  sounds complicated

    Not that simple. You shouldn’t mix trust funds with non trust funds – a SMSF is a trust. You could be breaching your trustee duties.

    You would have to borrow using other security. SMSF could not borrow.

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    It can be done but the hotel cannot he used a security.

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    s0805 wrote:
    can't avoid this fees anyway< .

    Are you saying you cannot afford $15.80?

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    Why would you want to go to them?

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    TheOoz wrote:
    So I've done quite a bit of reading, and I like the idea of a trust structure. I'm now looking to start building my 'team' so am seeking recommendations on who to talk to about my specific situation and setting up a trust/s.

    I'm currently based in Western Sydney, but likely to move to Melbourne in the coming months. I'm good with email, a telephone, and Skype so location isn't such a biggie.

    Thanks in advance.

    You should learn as much as you can and then speak to a good lawyer who understands trusts. You should also get some tax advice and some borrowing advice.

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    Jeremiah17 wrote:
    After attending a one on one strategy planning with ironfish i asked the question of the trust structure because i just finished reading steve mcknight's book. I have been told that i can't claim tax if i purchase a negatively property because the trust does not earn income for me to claim tax on.

    A trust is treated as a separate entity for tax purposes so if there is a loss within the trust this will not affect your personal income. But a trust can negative gear like a person can. i.e. a loss from investing in property within a trust can offset other income of the trust – or another trust which could distribute to the loss making trust.

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    Consider the tax consequences also. You would probably become a non resident for tax purposes.

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    a few of my clients have done this. Buy a house with a large block of land. Split the land so that they end up with one empty block and one smaller block with the original house. One guy got the original house valued at almost the same as his purchase price meaning he basically got the block of land for free. He will sell the new empty block and pay out the portion of the loan attributed to this land, then reborrow up to 80% and repeat.

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    It would probably be a title search.

    They would have to check title again and see if there are any writs or caveats.

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